Yarr beat me to the punch here, and for that I hate him.

CKD Nazi funhouse!

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Truhls,
You are doing exactly the same thing you calling me for - pot, kettle, black?

It's great if some of you think selling account is ok, however, that's not my taste. Everyone has different opinion, you can bash all you want, but that will not change my view on how low I view those people who ebayed their accounts.

Here's the main reason why I hate ebayer from online game. Ebayer's friends who helped him developed the char, what did they get out of it? Are you going to say oh, hey you helped me for my af3, I am going to give you 10% the sell I got from my char. I don't think so.

PS: Use cussing words in a msg board arguement doesn't make you an automatically winner, I hope you realize that. But if you are as intellegent as you think, you probably wouldn't notice.

PSS: Watch TV, go out to bar, or play online game is all the same. It's a form of entertainment. Some people enjoy the actual contact from human interaction. Some enjoy the virtul contact and work on something together with a common goal.

PSSS: I read boards for my work entertainment. I don't just pick on Denchi cuz he ebayed. I pick on Denchi to give myself more stuff to do at work since I am so efficient that I can finish 9 hrs work in 2 hrs. Talking about the life of IT consultant, it's $$ and surfing web.

Last I checked, withdrawing money from an ATM, and robbing a bank are no different either, after all both get you money. Except for the minor fact that one of these happens to be against the law. I would explain to you the analogy but I'm afraid I don't think you would grasp it.

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- 75 WHM, 37 BLM, 37 THF, 33 BRD, 18 NIN, etc..

Peejo, I understand where you are coming from, and I agree with it, the only thing that got me so upset was that you started bashing him all for no reason. You could have simply stated: "Denchi, ebaying your account makes you an ass...I hate you......go burn...yada yada yada.." but your post litterally dripped with malice, at least to me, and it got me upset, all for this reason. Yes, I probably over-reacted, but its natural for me, so I apologize, but I still found it unneseccary to post in the manner you did. Perhaps you just had a bad day at work, I really don't know.

You also state in your second PS, how watching TV, playing games; they're all the same, and with that, I coudln't agree more. But bashing people over the internet is not something I would call human interaction, and if it is, I don't see how you gain anything from it.

Yarr, ban me if you feel like it's the right thing to do, but if you're going to do so because I won an argument over your LS member....heh, I really don't know what to say. The way your post came off reminds me of segragtion here in the states back in the 50's. If you're black, you can't drink from this water fountain - if you're not on CKD, then you're not allowed to bash people, but they can do it to you.

And Kailyn, you knew exactly what I meant, not once there did I say selling your account was legal, I simply stated that I find no difference between that and trading in a used console game. One is legal, one isn't, but essentially are one in the same.

Yeah thats about right, its a clear double standerd.

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RIP Shiloh

lol, at least you put me in a good mood before I head off to work. I really can't stop laughing....at least the mood seems to be losing some of the tension.

Wow, a few of you are blowing what Denchi did out of proportion here.

Yes, I know what Dechi did is against the EULA. No, I do not support ebaying and selling of accounts either, but to make snide comments about his character and analogies of prostitution and bank robbery was in poor taste, especially when you do not even know him and most likely never will. Yes, I'm aware both examples given were meant to point out that both are 'wrong' and against a 'rule' or 'rules' and should not be practiced. However, I'm quite certain you are all aware that what Denchi did would only at worst recieve a slap on the wrist. On the other hand, the examples given would land jail time, and in the case of bank robbery, alot of prison time. I know, I know. Wrong is wrong, but we do differentiate levels of 'wrong' and selling a game account against the EULA is not on the same level as prostitution or bank robbery.

We're not all spotless white sheets of paper here either. I'm sure all of you, including myself, have illegally downloaded music, movies, shows, programs or games at some point. We have certainly broken certain rules at some point in time, justifying our actions each and every time with little care and attention as to whether our reasoning made sense or not to those around us. Denchi is doing the same here, except this time, some of us (including myself) do not agree with his reasoning. However, since we do not agree with his reasoning on this issue, his action is somehow morally reprehensible enough to thumb your nose down him and comparing his decision to that of one who chooses to prostitute themself or rob a bank for money? I don't understand that logic. It's not like he went off, lured a child into a dark alleyway with a candy bar and stole that child's kidney to put up for sale on the Black Market either.

As a person from the outside looking in (or third party or whatever), I'd have to say, although you are right to voice your displeasure and disagreement with what Denchi has done, you could of done it with a little more tact and a bit more class. Yes, I'm aware, it is your board which means you can say whatever you wish and ban whoever you wish for whatever reason but I find it unfair that Denchi came back to defend himself in a rather civil manner (atleast in his first two posts) and some of you jump him and compared his actions to bank robbery or prostitution, taunting him to reply in a more defensive, and flamtastic manner (oh the joys of reading 'I have a real life' rebuttal flame fest) which led to an unnecessary exchange of flames.

That said, what you did was and is against the TOS you agreed to when you signed onto the game Denchi. It was and is totally uncool of you to go break that agreement but it's your decision and you know (and most likey ready to accept) the consequences that can possibly be incurred. Then again, who am I to call you on your actions when I know I've broken a few ToS's myself by giving copies of games/music/movies or whatnot to my friends.

I'm gonna quote (and paraphrase a bit) Vurin from one of his posts over at VN on the same topic since he summarized the discussion there rather nicely.


"Is it legally wrong? Yes. Is it ethically wrong? No. Is it morally wrong? No.

Does that mean I shouldn't do it? Unless you're an advocate of anarchy, or simply don't think the rules apply to you when they are inconvenient, no you should not."



One last thing. I just wanna comment on the quote I borrowed above. Truth is you see, we all secretly are advocates of anarchy since we all go breaking rules we deem 'minor' or 'insignificant' when they are an inconvenience to us. Closet Anarchists! =Þ



Okay, last tangent. I wonder, if this was not against the ToS and was sanctioned by SE, would there be discussions on this topic? The argument against right now are it's legally wrong. The argument for really has no argument other then it's not morally wrong. If it was sanctioned, the argument for would be it's within my legal right. I'm not sure what the argument against would be in this scenario. I know, it's just a hypothetical situation and I'm just blabbering now so I'll stop. Now where did I put that cup of tea? ?_?

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I think I've been misquoted again....

Is this how it is? To be famous and misunderstood?

Onward, I feel a large part of the legal complaint is to have a widespread socially justified and supported backing for their reasoning when a unknown person basically cops out/cheats his way to some success in a game we all worked hard in.

For example, Denichi is a dick for giving some unknown person such an oppurtunity to cheat and lessen the value of what all the others around him helped him accomplish or accomplished on their own. Whoever buys his stuff is a cheatign scumbag n00bie who couldn't replicate the effort and dedication it took to get a character to denich's level. But Jeyovanyel... He's actually a pretty nice guy, he plays reasonably well, he apparently has a 67 pld on another server. Put a face on the ebayer and while its unfortunate and his reputation is hardly impeccable he garners a lot of support or at least tolerance simply from having a good Sob story.

No, you didn't win an arguement, you only think you won an arguement.


That's exactly what my post said, can't you read? I called him a loser because he ebay his account. I call him a ebay newbie because he uses his own name for auction. As for my 2nd post, I wouldn't had gone there if he didn't start the crap about how "omg, you are lvl 75, get a life" crap. If you want to bash someone's real life, you better be prepared to get shit back. It's all about Karma.

Please don't think of yourself too high, because the same time you are basshing me about I bashed Denchi, you just did exactly what I did. You aren't a saint yourself.

As I said before, maybe ebay your char is ok in your book, but for certain it's not to me. I hate people ebay their chars with all my guts. No matter what you said, it will not change my mind. This is a game as some of you claimed, so why should you sell the game for real life money? When a game involves real life money gain, it's not a game anymore. It's your 2nd job that you work to get paid (cash out at the end). I dislike the fact when I spent hours of playing gear up someone I thought he/she was my friend. He/she turned around cash out and say thanks for the hardwork, I am going to go out and enjoy the few K real life cash you just donated to me. I am sure everyone can enjoy few K real life cash yourself, why should I help a stranger that I met online to get it?

My point on ebay will stay the same even if there's no EULA to bind it. It is an online game, when 1 person sells, there will be 1 person buying. Where do you think ebayers get their gils from? They farm, they steal. How do they do it? They compete with you or any lowbies to farm, they steal from you. When there's motivation, there will be ebay, people will do whatever they can for some fast few hundred USD. 100k gil = $30. How easy is it to get 100k? If you really farm, you can get 40k/hr in game without camping NM at lvl 75 with the correct classes. So you are making about $12/hr. Is that a bad money for someone just sitting in front of computer? It sure does not. Should people do it? Sure, why not, but don't let me know. Because I will spit on you.

PS: I have 2 EQ accounts that I don't play anymore. When Kailyn and I left EQ May, 2003, estimate value our account combine was close to 10k USD. We have 2 chars (war + dru with the best gear on the server)+ several alts with access to the end game zones (at the time was elemental planes + Time for main chars). That sure was a pretty good amount, but did I sell? No, I didn't. I didn't do it for 2 reasons. 1. I can't see other assclowns run around with a char that I put hours after hours into it and develop to be top of line char. 2. I don't think it is fair to my friends/enemies who helped me to gear up since they won't get anything out of it.

I know very well I acted like you, I was ready to embrace the consequences, but I had to say what I felt. Could I have come off more polite? Of course, but I choose not too.

Yes, your first post didn't irk me at all, but after I read your second post, something in me just triggered. I really can't explain, it's just some other posts you have posted towards Denchi have come off a little malicious to me, i.e. application to join CKD.

You last post is a perfect example of how you could have responded to this thread in the first place; it gets your point perfectly across, and no harm is done.

Above quote is the only reason my 3rd (it's 3rd not 2nd, I just went back to revisit it) post sounded harsh because Denchi STARTED it.

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He called Yarr a jerk after his application got turned down due to low level. I only respond to his post because I take it as insult that he called my ls leader a jerk.

I'm sorry, I missed Denchi's post and didn't see this, and yes, you are right. I guess everyone just wanted to express how they felt but worded everything so hatefully, myself included.

"He called Yarr a jerk after his application got turned down due to low level. I only respond to his post because I take it as insult that he called my ls leader a jerk." - Peejo

That was another thing I didn't know, thanks for clearing it up.[/quote]

I have one thing to say...

Politics and gaming dont mix

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Kasdaye Regnar

1. Imo, i say denchi won the arguement. Your sissy post kinda turned me off, Peejo. It was close till that point, then i lost total interest. I think it was your lack of spell check or something. Just like truhls said, it made me sick.

2. Can i make a play out of that? Ima get a copyright and sell this baby for millions and millions of gil on ebay. It turned from hate seeping out of the floor to a fight to linkshell equality to love and happiness.

*tear*

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Plasma, maybe you don't know, but English isn't my first language. I am sorry if my bad spelling etc turn you off. Honestly, I don't give a darn how you feel. If you'd like, I can have a debate with you in my first language - Chinese. Feel free to jump in.