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HNM 'holding' rule?
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Author:  Matti [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:41 pm ]
Post subject:  HNM 'holding' rule?
I saw this on KI...

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=33325

And check out this screenie...

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Last I heard doing this was not considered an offense at all. Anyone know anything about this?
Author:  Ilm [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:45 pm ]
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Nope, the rule has been around a long time.
Author:  hccmike [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:50 pm ]
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hhehe

Even if NAs do this to hold nm on Ifrit, theres no point because there is a certain jp ls that will be up around the clock 24/7 anyways.
Author:  Xiona [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:15 pm ]
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um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago about the gil sellers holding stroper chymes for about 2 hours. they were provoking it and enguaged with hand 2 hand so they did like 0 dmg. the GM said "if you have the means to hold a monster indefinately then there is nothing to stop you from doing it" just goes to show, GM = JP only
Author:  arlania [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:36 pm ]
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Funny how racist the game is. :roll:
Author:  Ilm [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:48 pm ]
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Xiona wrote:
um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago
Nah thats BS =p, the GM was full of shit then haha. Also stuff like casting cure or poisona on someone is against ToS if you are doing it to piss the person off (grief tactics).
Author:  Kametatsu [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:27 pm ]
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Lol, that's nuts... I had a friend who held a Stroper Chyme for hours with Sleep, and the gil sellers would train on him in attempts to MPK, forcing him to kill the monsters with Blaze Spikes... wonder how a GM would handle that situation since both were engaging in "grief tactics"
Author:  Runefury [ Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:03 pm ]
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Well, maybe SE is taking a stand on this holding tactic due to the numberous complaints NA's filed against Gilfarmers holding nms (Morion Worm, Stroper Chyme, and etc.) for hours on end. If you pray for rain, then don't cry when the thunder strikes.
Author:  HitmanR [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:31 am ]
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Ilm wrote:
Xiona wrote:
um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago
Nah thats BS =p, the GM was full of shit then haha. Also stuff like casting cure or poisona on someone is against ToS if you are doing it to piss the person off (grief tactics).


heh, I really wish I had fraps... I got jailed just before I deleted hit cause we fucked with mamii and ponsp and them... I would cast poisona on mamii as soon as she used her poison pots and then Cassie would sweet breath... that sleep lasts a while if you aren't poisoned and they almost died... Binding the utukku and having it Aeroga II them didn't help that much either...

When in jail the GM told me that you can't cast poisona on someone if it changes their gameplay. I Also asked about the rule of holding a mob and he said it wasn't allowed but people shouldn't take matters into their own hands they should just call a GM
Author:  Yarr [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:35 am ]
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I have a screen shot of a GM telling us theres no rule saying someone cant hold an HNM for days on end.

Ill look it up when I get home.
Author:  Whisp [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:08 am ]
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Terms Of Service
[Chapter III, Section XII]
8. It is forbidden for a North American to purposely keep a notorious monster alive, thereby depriving a Japanese player the opportunity to battle.
Author:  Mikey [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:05 pm ]
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i think whisp got it ~
Author:  Xiona [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:19 pm ]
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yea i wish i had the screen shot of them telling me that gil sellers can hold a mob indefinately if they choose. just seems SE needs to make their rules more clear to their employees. i still think they should remove normal NMs from the game and have their items be a really rare drop rate off a mob type in any zone. like Ochudo's kote should drop off MNK yagudo mobs anywhere in the game. give it drop rate like snipers rings. then HNM should be like a 4-6 hour pop. the more times it pops the more chance ppl get to fight, lowering chance that it will get monopolized. just seems like a more fair system taking focus off camping something for hours and hours and redirecting it to playing the game for fun.
Author:  Punkrawk [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:27 pm ]
Post subject:  hmm
I can see where fighting one hell of a lop sided battle with SE.

There where happy with JP members and then we came and made there job harder and i think all of them have hate for us.

Nothing much we can do about it is just torment the holy hell out of them for the littlest reason just for the fun of it.
Author:  Tamahoime [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:06 pm ]
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i wonder if theres a website or place where you can see the terms and agreements of this game..I'm in school now so most of the websites are blocked.
Author:  Valisk [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:37 pm ]
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Whisp wrote:
Terms Of Service
[Chapter III, Section XII]
8. It is forbidden for a North American to purposely keep a notorious monster alive, thereby depriving a Japanese player the opportunity to battle.


I cant stop laughing :lol:
Author:  Valisk [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:40 pm ]
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Xiona wrote:
then HNM should be like a 4-6 hour pop. the more times it pops the more chance ppl get to fight, lowering chance that it will get monopolized. just seems like a more fair system taking focus off camping something for hours and hours and redirecting it to playing the game for fun.


nah, this would only mean that KFC will fight the kings 4 to 6 times a day. THey will probably set up like a job schedule and have 4 teams of 18 ppl working 6 hour shifts each... They probably have a time card and get written up for being late >.> no sick days or vacations allowed!
Author:  Whisp [ Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:46 pm ]
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Tamahoime wrote:
i wonder if theres a website or place where you can see the terms and agreements of this game..I'm in school now so most of the websites are blocked.

https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html

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