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Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:27 am ]
Post subject:  Petition
Ok. In light of recent events ive read about I felt the need to petition SE about changes that I believe are due for our enjoyment of FFXI. I believe HNM's should be about skill and not out claiming another LS. This only results in hostility. You cant say it doesnt because everyone gets mad when they lose to another. I believe the only luck in a HNM fight should be what the drops are. If you dont have the skill to kill it then you shouldnt bother fighting it. Ive written a petition to SE about this and need signatures. Dont know if anyone wants to sign up or not but this is the link.

http://www.petitiononline.com/ffonline/petition.html


I think its time we had a voice heard instead of just whining in tells or forums.


~Arlania.


Edit: If you sign it please sign your characters name and server in comments. Thank you.
Author:  Ken No Kami [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:46 am ]
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I've signed.
Though not at the current lvl for HNM fights, I'm really not liking how it's looking. By the time I hit 70, there will be alot more other endgame LSs, and people camping these mobs.
I'd like to see the mobs made into a bcnm sytle fight, or forced pop likeyou suggested before we end up with 5+...10+ LS's camping one damned mob.
Author:  Ilm [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:47 am ]
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SE diddnt really make the rules people use during HNM camps heh. Camps could be very different than they are now, but we are playing by JP rules on this server and we're stuck with it.

SE just needs to crack down on dipshits who like to monopolize stuff for months on end non stop. The kuftal gil seller crew needs to fuck off heh.
Author:  Kayne [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 5:58 am ]
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Yeah, like I've said back when I played EQ bigger guilds made rules that worked well and which the entire server followed. Basically every guild that could handle such and such a mob would be able to fight it on a certain day according to a cycle, and the best part is there wouldn't be anyone standing idly by lagging them up getting ready to steal it if they happen to fuck up.

Granted, if the guild admits defeat then they end up giving their spot to another guild that can handle killing the mob.

Anyway, this only worked because everyone pretty much spoke the same language, and because multiple people could attack a mob in EQ regardless who "claimed" it first. So, if some guild decided to be assholes for one reason or another, the guild that was supposed to have the mob could just wait around and get the killshot on it then loot it. That rarely happened, though, if at all.
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:05 am ]
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Ilm wrote:
SE diddnt really make the rules people use during HNM camps heh. Camps could be very different than they are now, but we are playing by JP rules on this server and we're stuck with it.

SE just needs to crack down on dipshits who like to monopolize stuff for months on end non stop. The kuftal gil seller crew needs to fuck off heh.



Yes I know they didnt make the rules but they made the game. Things have progressed into what they are today and the only way to fix things would be to set them up differently.
Author:  Mecorx [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 11:08 am ]
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signed
Author:  Rubyxiii [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:23 pm ]
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i think this is a good idea everyone should sign it, people cry about drg and smn and se made changes to both (people still cry but w/e haha) people cry about r3 price and se made it drop from enm and the price did indeed drop, se has done a few things to help inventory space after people cry, etc. point is they do actually listen to this crap even if theyre slow as fuck to do anything about it
Author:  Theterk [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 12:53 pm ]
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in responce to ruby:

Yeah, the could change the price, inventory, and job problems, but this is a problem with how people play. Unless they change how the mob is popped (via God like popping scheme) there isnt much they can do. I think the God popping style would actually be a reasonable method of changing it. Dont expect SE to come in and say "JPN need to back up off this or ill bust a cap in yo ass"
Author:  Matti [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:54 pm ]
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haha some jerkoff signed with an advertisment for buying gil.. :roll:
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 1:55 pm ]
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Severus wrote:
I refuse to sign this, just makes things too easy and FF will become WoW


Then dont sign it -.-
Author:  Reinheld [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:04 pm ]
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What's funny is the IGE ad right in the middle of the petition. lol
Author:  Theterk [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:04 pm ]
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yes, i signed 2x... had to put up Ifrit server... yes i am a noob
Author:  Decimus [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:08 pm ]
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ffxi is a community-based game. Unfortunately, a small group of players are not for the community. This petition solves nothing.
Author:  Mys [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:26 pm ]
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Decimus wrote:
ffxi is a community-based game. Unfortunately, a small group of players are not for the community. This petition solves nothing.


A while ago thousands of people signed a petition to beef up the smn job class and look at what they did - level 20 avatar battles, skillchains with avatars, increased damage, etc.

The petition will only solve nothing if noone agrees, and noone signs. If enough people sign, *maybe* SE will look into making some changes. If they do, then a lot was accomplished, and if not, it only took you 10 seconds to sign so what do you have to lose?
Author:  Milamber [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:30 pm ]
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This may sound stupid or weird or something, but I like the way it is now. (Besides the JPs monopolizing stuff.) I like that you actually have to fight for the pull. Makes it more fun. And I like that there is some competition. Albeit, I wish it weren't competition in bad spirits, but I think that if you didn't ever compete for anything in this game, a lot of things would seem less valuable. Making everything like Gods would make the game go by way faster and everything would be too easy. I think one solution (which almost seems racist and will never happen) is to have all NA servers. I think that's the only way it would be fair. And even then I don't know if I'd play on one because there are some JP people who I really like :neutral:
Author:  Reinheld [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:31 pm ]
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Sorry to those who had posts that I removed. I'd just like a day without thinking about something drama-like. I can't even watch Lifetime anymore without getting stressed.

But yea, alot of GMs in interviews and such were debating a viable solution to the HNM King problems. So if Arlania can advertise this well, they might take notice. Check out FFXIonline.com forums, VNBoards, the BBS for Mysterytour and such.
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:32 pm ]
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Quote:
ffxi is a community-based game. Unfortunately, a small group of players are not for the community. This petition solves nothing.



It solves most of the problems we have. Why do you say it solves nothing? Because it gives others a chance to prove their skills at a game instead of pressing a button faster? It is a community game but is every LS willing to sit down and discuss rules for camping? I highly doubt this. This is a petition for people to have some action to what they complain about.

Edit: Rein took care of what I said here.
Author:  Decimus [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 2:54 pm ]
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Quote:
It solves most of the problems we have. Why do you say it solves nothing? Because it gives others a chance to prove their skills at a game instead of pressing a button faster? It is a community game but is every LS willing to sit down and discuss rules for camping? I highly doubt this. This is a petition for people to have some action to what they complain about.

It doesn't solve anything. The problems on this server has always been with certain players and is not a gaming issue. There are plenty of NMs on this server that are 24hr lottery pops and random pops that are not whored on other servers, but whored on Ifrit. Take that group of guys who have been killing Cassie in Fei-yin for the last 365 days, or that other group of guys who have been killing King Arthro for speed belt. SE could easily make substitute gear to overcome that problem or make them forced pops, but that's not what most players want.
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:04 pm ]
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Deci... why make new gear when they can regulate the spawns?! This idea isnt just mine either. A lot of people have thought this up including GM's. It provides a lot to the game. Gilsellers will be reluctant to have to find pop items to spawn a HNM they may/may not be able to kill once per 3days or w/e. Because you will shortly see gilsellers there botting along side CKD and FS and other LS's. Wanting it to stay the same way is just hurting yourself along with the community. Honestly by now SE should have released BETTER god armor. Perhaps in sea? I doubt it.
Author:  Reinheld [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:05 pm ]
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Decimus, turn that frown upside down, man. lol POSITIVE THINKING WILL GET YOU EVERYWHERE
Author:  Decimus [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:12 pm ]
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Quote:
Deci... why make new gear when they can regulate the spawns?!

Spawns are regulated now; some NMs (forced, lottery, random/open) pop in ~2hrs, some ~8hrs, some ~24hrs, etc.

Quote:
Gilsellers will be reluctant to have to find pop items to spawn a HNM they may/may not be able to kill once per 3days or w/e.

There is no way to prove this. Gil sellers will do whatever will help them make gil to resell to other players who buy gil.

Quote:
Decimus, turn that frown upside down, man. lol POSITIVE THINKING WILL GET YOU EVERYWHERE

:D
Author:  Lazyazn [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:17 pm ]
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deci leave me out of this, I dont whore feiyen that much :( :(
Not like anyone goes to Cassie anyway....
and not like they have megapullbot4000
yea theres a few times Ponsp wasnt there when i camp it...

back on topic-> signing it as soon as i get home school comp dont lemme pop that page open :p
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:17 pm ]
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There is no way to prove it yes....but it is a deterent. And a 24~ pop in a 3hr window is absurd. What is to lose from this? There will be no more camp competitions between LS's. LS's can decide on pop item farm days with one another and what days they are going to pop the HNM, kinda like dynamis. Will the "awesome-ness" of the gear be diminished? I dont think so. I see a ton of nobles tunics around now. Some were bought which is pointless in my opinion but somewhere from killing Kirin or another god. That is an accomplishment! That is pride! People need to get over themselves and want our server to be stacked with good god gear. Why? Because this will force SE's hand for more endgame material or they will risk losing people. They will need to come up with new gear for high lvl's and new and stronger HNM's.
Author:  Lazyazn [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:19 pm ]
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Arlania wrote:
They will need to come up with new gear for high lvl's and new and stronger HNM's.

new JSE from the wyrms... real fun
Author:  arlania [ Wed Apr 27, 2005 3:24 pm ]
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Lazyazn wrote:
Arlania wrote:
They will need to come up with new gear for high lvl's and new and stronger HNM's.

new JSE from the wyrms... real fun



Thats just JSE and can be bought. Im talking about more rare/ex gear.


Edit: also for people that think im whining that I wont get gear. I dont really care about hectomb or w/e. All I want is a SH and I can buy/ BC that and some rare/ex gear like daylight dagger and such.
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