Anyone able to experience first-hand how the tanking is now for NIN's after the update? I'm at work for another 8 hours and really anxious to hear how it is

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(PSO) FOmar Lv. 80 - Whitill
NIN 75 - SMN 73 - SAM 63 - RDM 53 - PLD 50
Astral Signa:O Yinyang Robe:O

still trying to update... always gets to the download then disconnects me

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ill try to check it out but its not going to be much of a change if you above level 60 i thought people sorta got a little over mad at 75 i dont think its gunna matter a bit

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apparently people tanking last cop mission said aggro is still fine. no shock there really heh.

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WSNM: Tachi: Kasha, Blade: Ku, Steel Cyclone, Decimation, Evisceration, Black Halo, Retribution, Savage Blade, Impulse Drive, Ground Strike.

i exp whored sunday on nin to get it to 63 and have at least soem of the arhats +1 gear. i think its going to be fine like was said above 60, but exp it low level may be painfull.

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75brd 75nin
bastok rank 10
cop completed zm 15

ya exping like 35-60 is gunna suck now

and befor 35 ninjas just have no hope of keeping hate so it just gets worst for them

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You guys are making this sound like it's some crazy change. Now NIN will lose hate the same way a PLD does. Each time you get hit you lose a little agro it's always been like that. Now instead of counting a shadow as a miss it counts it as a hit which, in turn, lowers your enmity. It's nothing new they just changed the way Shadows act.

It's actually a REALLY good thing for RNG who sub nin. Now when they get hate it will act like the mob actually hit them and lower their hate. I'm pretty sure that is what prompted this change to begin with...

except.. that nin doesn't have flash to keep hate with like pld does and now that rng's do less dmg i'm not sure if the it'll do much good for them either.

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yes matti, but at low levels when you do not have elemental ni you have very few hate gaining abilities, and your katana's do low damage compared to other melee. i just think this is going to make exp low level nin much harder and will require using dorado suishi or some other food to have +eminity.

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75brd 75nin
bastok rank 10
cop completed zm 15

Nicely said i never even though about rngs thats good thing for ninjas now lol

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NIN have DAMAGE to keep hate just like PLDs have JA + Flash + MP to keep hate. PLDs literally dont DMG mobs. WHMs have more attack than PLD >.> So a NINs damage output offsets a PLDs Flash.

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San d'Oria: Rank 10 ~ Bastok: Rank 10 ~ Windurst: Rank 10
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then just don't main tank before lvl 40 or whatever. I personally fucking hated trying to half-ass tank while i got my nin sub to 37 when even my war/nin did a better job with it at those levels.

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Havok~San'd Rank 10~ZM DONE~CoP DONE
DRG75 WAR75 NIN37 THF37 SAM37 WHM36

ok i'll take your word for it since i've never even unlocked pld. matti is probally right and the update isnt going to even matter.

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75brd 75nin
bastok rank 10
cop completed zm 15

yea nin tanking will still be there... it'll just have to be re thought a little i think. lol i'm guessing that enmity+ gear is gona sky rocket too

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Elemental NI spells are what? 40? Nin can't really tank all that great before 37 anyway so that makes 3 levels of using a Ichi wheel to hold hate. I kinda like this change personally. It will help weed out the shitty nin tanks. haha

I have little problems holding hate with the exception of Rein doing freaking Ragin Fists at the start of a fight. A lot of time I'll try not to provoke just to see if I can hold hate using just Ninjutsu but of course this only last for about the first half of the fight. haha

Except no mage waste mp and get hate healing you. :P


Anyway, I'm sure S-E are retarded and made ninja unable to tank

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Main: War75/Sam63/Blm71/Rng45
Sub: Nin37/Thf37/Whm37/Mnk30
Three nation: Done Zilart: Done CoP: Done

I hope not. I was just starting to REALLY get into nin. :/

Another thing. Because they made tools "Quiverable" or whatever it will keep all the stupid elemental tools from taking up like 90% of your inv. I spam the shit out of those spells to get hate back (Especially with Reinheld playing MNK in my pts. -.-) so that makes the change a little easier to handle. :D

i thought it was just shihei that they made quiverable? idk i'm probably wrong lol

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sounds like a personal problem =P

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WSNM: Tachi: Kasha, Blade: Ku, Steel Cyclone, Decimation, Evisceration, Black Halo, Retribution, Savage Blade, Impulse Drive, Ground Strike.

It will be useful only for shihei, unless you carry more than 2 stack of other tools.

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Main: War75/Sam63/Blm71/Rng45
Sub: Nin37/Thf37/Whm37/Mnk30
Three nation: Done Zilart: Done CoP: Done

I usually carry 2 stacks of each elemental/debuff junk and 2 of shihei with mats to make more.

ONE BAG TO HOLD THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You will still need to carry your stack of hojo tool, and the stack of stack of hojo tool. Only difference is you wont have to worry for 2 week about going back to AH

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Main: War75/Sam63/Blm71/Rng45
Sub: Nin37/Thf37/Whm37/Mnk30
Three nation: Done Zilart: Done CoP: Done

That's what is great about it. I can go to Norg and make about 6 stacks of each tool and bundle them as I make them and not have to go back for a while.