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Author:  Blace [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:33 am ]
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Anyone able to experience first-hand how the tanking is now for NIN's after the update? I'm at work for another 8 hours and really anxious to hear how it is :(
Author:  Gimbily [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:50 am ]
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still trying to update... always gets to the download then disconnects me :?
Author:  Draciont [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:28 pm ]
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ill try to check it out but its not going to be much of a change if you above level 60 i thought people sorta got a little over mad at 75 i dont think its gunna matter a bit
Author:  Ilm [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:34 pm ]
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apparently people tanking last cop mission said aggro is still fine. no shock there really heh.
Author:  bigdawg [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:39 pm ]
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i exp whored sunday on nin to get it to 63 and have at least soem of the arhats +1 gear. i think its going to be fine like was said above 60, but exp it low level may be painfull.
Author:  Draciont [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:45 pm ]
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ya exping like 35-60 is gunna suck now

and befor 35 ninjas just have no hope of keeping hate so it just gets worst for them
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:52 pm ]
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You guys are making this sound like it's some crazy change. Now NIN will lose hate the same way a PLD does. Each time you get hit you lose a little agro it's always been like that. Now instead of counting a shadow as a miss it counts it as a hit which, in turn, lowers your enmity. It's nothing new they just changed the way Shadows act.

It's actually a REALLY good thing for RNG who sub nin. Now when they get hate it will act like the mob actually hit them and lower their hate. I'm pretty sure that is what prompted this change to begin with...
Author:  Gimbily [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:54 pm ]
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except.. that nin doesn't have flash to keep hate with like pld does and now that rng's do less dmg i'm not sure if the it'll do much good for them either.
Author:  bigdawg [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:55 pm ]
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yes matti, but at low levels when you do not have elemental ni you have very few hate gaining abilities, and your katana's do low damage compared to other melee. i just think this is going to make exp low level nin much harder and will require using dorado suishi or some other food to have +eminity.
Author:  Draciont [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:55 pm ]
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Nicely said i never even though about rngs thats good thing for ninjas now lol
Author:  Valisk [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:57 pm ]
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NIN have DAMAGE to keep hate just like PLDs have JA + Flash + MP to keep hate. PLDs literally dont DMG mobs. WHMs have more attack than PLD >.> So a NINs damage output offsets a PLDs Flash.
Author:  Havok [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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then just don't main tank before lvl 40 or whatever. I personally fucking hated trying to half-ass tank while i got my nin sub to 37 when even my war/nin did a better job with it at those levels.
Author:  bigdawg [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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ok i'll take your word for it since i've never even unlocked pld. matti is probally right and the update isnt going to even matter.
Author:  Gimbily [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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yea nin tanking will still be there... it'll just have to be re thought a little i think. lol i'm guessing that enmity+ gear is gona sky rocket too
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:01 pm ]
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bigdawg wrote:
yes matti, but at low levels when you do not have elemental ni you have very few hate gaining abilities, and your katana's do low damage compared to other melee. i just think this is going to make exp low level nin much harder and will require using dorado suishi or some other food to have +eminity.


Elemental NI spells are what? 40? Nin can't really tank all that great before 37 anyway so that makes 3 levels of using a Ichi wheel to hold hate. I kinda like this change personally. It will help weed out the shitty nin tanks. haha

I have little problems holding hate with the exception of Rein doing freaking Ragin Fists at the start of a fight. A lot of time I'll try not to provoke just to see if I can hold hate using just Ninjutsu but of course this only last for about the first half of the fight. haha
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:02 pm ]
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Quote:
Now instead of counting a shadow as a miss it counts it as a hit which


Except no mage waste mp and get hate healing you. :P


Anyway, I'm sure S-E are retarded and made ninja unable to tank
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:03 pm ]
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Kaylia wrote:
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Now instead of counting a shadow as a miss it counts it as a hit which


Except no mage waste mp and get hate healing you. :P


Anyway, I'm sure S-E are retarded and made ninja unable to tank


I hope not. I was just starting to REALLY get into nin. :/
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:07 pm ]
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Another thing. Because they made tools "Quiverable" or whatever it will keep all the stupid elemental tools from taking up like 90% of your inv. I spam the shit out of those spells to get hate back (Especially with Reinheld playing MNK in my pts. -.-) so that makes the change a little easier to handle. :D
Author:  Gimbily [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:09 pm ]
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i thought it was just shihei that they made quiverable? idk i'm probably wrong lol
Author:  Ilm [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:10 pm ]
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bigdawg wrote:
... and your katana's do low damage compared to other melee.


sounds like a personal problem =P
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:26 pm ]
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Matti wrote:
Another thing. Because they made tools "Quiverable" or whatever it will keep all the stupid elemental tools from taking up like 90% of your inv. I spam the shit out of those spells to get hate back (Especially with Reinheld playing MNK in my pts. -.-) so that makes the change a little easier to handle. :D



It will be useful only for shihei, unless you carry more than 2 stack of other tools.
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:29 pm ]
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Kaylia wrote:
Matti wrote:
Another thing. Because they made tools "Quiverable" or whatever it will keep all the stupid elemental tools from taking up like 90% of your inv. I spam the shit out of those spells to get hate back (Especially with Reinheld playing MNK in my pts. -.-) so that makes the change a little easier to handle. :D



It will be useful only for shihei, unless you carry more than 2 stack of other tools.


I usually carry 2 stacks of each elemental/debuff junk and 2 of shihei with mats to make more.
Author:  Jimbean [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:29 pm ]
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ONE BAG TO HOLD THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:
Author:  Kaylia [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:11 pm ]
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Matti wrote:
I usually carry 2 stacks of each elemental/debuff junk and 2 of shihei with mats to make more.



You will still need to carry your stack of hojo tool, and the stack of stack of hojo tool. Only difference is you wont have to worry for 2 week about going back to AH
Author:  Matti [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:14 pm ]
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Kaylia wrote:
You will still need to carry your stack of hojo tool, and the stack of stack of hojo tool. Only difference is you wont have to worry for 2 week about going back to AH


That's what is great about it. I can go to Norg and make about 6 stacks of each tool and bundle them as I make them and not have to go back for a while. :shock:
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