Capzero... that's all I have to say about that matter.
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:35 pm ] |
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I've had it! I'm sick of every troll on KI and Alla. Last night I posted my idea for RDM/DRK DD, not for normal use, but for when DD's are in short supply. There were some good post, but most of it was the same "RDM is a Mage" and "only n00b RDM melee, lolz" that they always post. http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=86191&n=last#bottom I say why not? I have a firm belief the RDM can do most anything with the right sub. Thus, by using my belief, then RDM is nothing but a world of possiblities, not just a refresh/enfeeb whore. I even stated the need for another RDM to fill in the "normal" or "casting" aspect of RDM. Please give some feed back that isn't "STFU uz n00b RDM, lolz" I have lost all respect for KI/Alla forums. |
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| Author: | Runefury [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:39 pm ] |
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Capzero... that's all I have to say about that matter.
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| Author: | Ultimaj [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:46 pm ] |
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Runefury wrote: Capzero... that's all I have to say about that matter.
lol 
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| Author: | Whisp [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:48 pm ] |
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you'd gotta really really know your shit to pull off something like that. i always wanted to do some weird party setup with close friends. some lineup like DRG/WHM WHM/WAR RDM/WAR PLD/WHM RDM/BRD BRD/BST i mean.. of course exp would be worse, but it would be a funny experience. the rdm/war tanking, the drg and pld main healing, drg also melee along with whm and brd/bst haha oh well |
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| Author: | Arim [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:45 pm ] |
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only melee when the PT allows it KI and Allikazam bunch of flamers who do what everyone else does so dont bother posting there about mage melees i've always wanted to do RDM/RNG and sidewinder stuff |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:53 pm ] |
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They did miss the entire point of my motivation. Sometimes there is a surplus of DD, sometimes a surplus of Mages. I was only trying to tell them what im going to do and my motivation. But they flamed me for think outside the box. This game would be grand if it wasn't for the children who play this game and ruin it. Like SE said, they never intended NIN to tank. But someone tried it, and found the tanking ablities in it. SMN was never ment to main heal. Why limit a job's potential? RDM is used to main heal, main nuke, refresh, enfeeb the mob, why not DD when there is a lack of DD's wanting to xp? |
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| Author: | Arim [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:55 pm ] |
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no they just invite more plds cause someone said they can DD with full VIT gear -.- |
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| Author: | Anthon [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:56 pm ] |
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i always thought that rdm/war had some kind of tanking possibilities with right EQ and food, but its so much more useful in other roles that its not worth it =/ |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:03 pm ] |
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True, thats why I'm going to try it. Ninja wasn't a tank over night, nor was SMN a main healer. |
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| Author: | Mikey [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:07 pm ] |
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capzero hates me lol. I called him out once in dynamis and he never ever ever ever ever forgave me lolol. I said to him. Cap do you have a mage sub? This was when we started doing dynamis. We need the best performance. And we had a rdm subbing nin for fucks sake.. |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:25 pm ] |
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RDM/NIN...>_>;;...Atleast Im going for /drk so that I have some practical spells/JTs/JAs. The thing that really gets me down in this game, is that people findsome and exploit it. Thus, "S-E" "nerfs" a job/spell/etc.. I''m trying to think of new ways of doing things so that S-E doesn't get all paranoid about people doing the same thing over and over. Most of the people who have tried RDM/DRK in an xp pt, normally play RDM as a caster, not as a melee. Furthermore, I dont really buy into mobs getting massive amounts of TP when I melee. Mobs will build TP regardeless of the fact. 2~3% from me hitting it. oh-wow.....this is so much TP. Posting new uses for a job on KI/Alla is like trying to goto a NRA meeting and trying to explain to them that some firearms/sidearms should be banned for safety reasons. |
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| Author: | Loranne [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:03 pm ] |
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I think the point they're trying to say is if you're dealing 2 points of dmg with your sword for 2-3 TP gain, vs say a RNG who can hit 70-90 per 2-3 TP gain, which is getting better milage per hit? I know RDM wouldn't hit 2 dmg per swing given the right gear but really now, why bother? I still personally think a mob will TP whenever it feels like it. Simply because I've seen a gob throw a bomb, then Gobby Rush you, then toss another bomb in a matter of 5 secs. But that's probably because of all the /nins wacking at it giving it a huge TP boost. Not shooting down new job combos, frankly I do invite new ides to particular jobs to make things more interesting. Until then, RDM/DRK in my book is for solo only, and that's pretty fun regardless. Btw, if you're thinking Soul Eater would help, I believe the boost on it is not 100% as if it were on main. And RDM/NINs make nice tanks 
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:48 pm ] |
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I'll add my input since I've actually done this before ;p Why bother? Loranne you should know how routine the job gets at times, lol. It's something different. RDM damage isn't omgDD worthy, but it's so horrible that it can be simply overlooked, (WHM or BLM melee? ;p). I've subbed various things (NIN DRK and WAR in XP parties) With food and pretty decent melee gear, I hit statues for roughly 40-50 a swing + enspell damage on /nin. With WAR or DRK sub it's a tad bit higher. Weapon skills vary. If I sub NIN using martial my savage blade do roughly 350-450 with 100 TP For "DD" I prefer /nin. That's only because of my weapon choices, (martial anelace and joyeuse,); anything else and it's not exactly worth subbing unless you keep a hornetneedle in your off hand. Keep in mind however, 75 XP is a lot different than anything else. lol If I'm not mistaken souleater is 50% on sub. Like 2 HP per 1 damage, or something. It doesn't help tremendously, maybe adding 100 points at the most to Vorpal blade. I say, just try it. As long as you can function on the primaries of the job, and don't say "GUYZ I WONT REST CUZ I HAVE TPZ LAWL" (Hi Capzero,) I don't see what's so wrong with it. lol |
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| Author: | Loranne [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:05 pm ] |
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Don't worry SS, I'm not shooting anything down like I said. Just explaining why idiots on KI and such have such a narrowminded thing about RDM meleeing. A good RDM can keep up with their duties and melee given in a situation that won't jepoardize the party. I've melee my way up to 60 but stopped because my enfeebs weren't sticking lol. And having to drop your weapon for a macro staff enfeeb to lose tp isn't all that hot to me either. I'm one of those types if I have tp, I'm gonna use it lol. But you're right. The dot on RDM sword/dagger + enspell isn't bad at all. Just people don't like to see one doing it because they usually forget to Refresh the mages
Edit: I remember you tanking WHM AF3's Shadow for me and Mirby when you were still in Nemesis as RDM/WAR SS. That was hot lol. |
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| Author: | Xiona [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:48 pm ] |
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erm, rdm dot in a xp pt is about the same as a whm/war. sword damage aside from ridill isnt that hot... factor in a mage class and not a DD class and its even worse. if ppl wanna melee so bad i dont understand why they dont just lv a melee job haha. if you doing it to mess around then thats cool, ive done it before. but its when ppl get "serious" about it that it becomes lame haha. and most of the time some random noob reads a 75 is a melee mage, then goes omg. then proceeds to be that retarded rdm who refuses to cure enfeeble, or refresh anyone but themself. id say your best setup to melee as a rdm is /war. /war gives you berserk and warcry as well as double attack. if you have joyeyuse + double attack youll at least swing a lot. if you use sushi you wont wiff a lot like most mages do with their shitty skill caps, and /war youll get vorpal blade. (this is for a 75RDM btw, meleeing as a mage before merit pts is absolutely retarded. merit pts are against usually VT mobs where accuracy is much better) EDIT: Loranne i was there to you jerk, <Shadowstalker> ok pop it, and cure bomb me plz. |
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| Author: | Shadowstalker [ Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:37 pm ] |
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Xiona wrote: , <Shadowstalker> ok pop it, and cure bomb me plz.
Not my fault Exo was an idiot and spammed Penta Thrust so it would spam Dimensional Death on me. lol Oh well noone died. ;p I'll post more about melee later. I'm at work on break. |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:20 am ] |
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Part of the reason for subbing drk is to have access to Aspir, Drain, aswell as the aborb spells.When im fighting a mob, I think about what other ways i can dismantle this mob. What other spells, what other DD's. The main point of having RDM is to enfeeb the mob and refresh the main heal, and pld tank (if applicable). |
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| Author: | Mudweizer [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:43 am ] |
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Loranne wrote: Until then, RDM/DRK in my book is for solo only, and that's pretty fun regardless.
I always thought a RDM/DRK was great if you were lacking stunners. |
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| Author: | Loranne [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:25 am ] |
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Mudweizer wrote: Loranne wrote: Until then, RDM/DRK in my book is for solo only, and that's pretty fun regardless. I always thought a RDM/DRK was great if you were lacking stunners. At lvl 74-75 it is, since DRKs get Stun at 37. But I think where Chama's coming from is pre-74, where your tools are couple JAs, Drain and Aspir. |
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| Author: | Mudweizer [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:12 am ] |
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Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:14 pm ] |
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All I really do anymore in xp pt's is refresh, a few debuffs and dispel. Thats all that any of my pt's want from me. I haste as much as I can. Other than that, Im left to my own business. I want to have fun with this game. Not fall victum to routine. |
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| Author: | Arim [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:17 pm ] |
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then do what you want, but dont bitch when ppl get mad at you and you get picked last for anything. but really you should be resting yoru mp so you can keep the chain going |
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| Author: | Whisp [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:01 pm ] |
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arim is bitching about chamelius bitching about forum trolls bitching about chamelius bitching about PTs bitching about chamelius wanting to sub drk? |
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| Author: | Chamelius [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:09 pm ] |
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Yea...basically |
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| Author: | Kazekuro [ Thu Oct 20, 2005 7:12 pm ] |
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Whisp wrote: arim is bitching about chamelius bitching about forum trolls bitching about chamelius bitching about PTs bitching about chamelius wanting to sub drk?
lol I like how you summed that up. |
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