Records of people and things like that, not so much records of events. Or so I think.

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This is a good place for info. Surprisingly I'm very interested in religions, the origins, and the ideas. Godandscience is, by far, the most un-biased place for info.

Check out this article on the same topic of whether the bible is true or not. Even if you think the bible is bullshit you should check out the article.

Like I said ejoy, you have no idea what science has been able to achieve. When and if you start taking college courses you'll understand how astronomers can look at distant bodies in the galaxy and figure out exactly what their made of by how they burn and what color they are, etc. You'd also find out about how the hubble telescope was able to see deep into the universe after exposing film for seven days straight (only the hubble director could've done this, glad he did, mwhaha). It showed us galaxies that formed soon after the big bang, and you know what? They corroborated with our current observations on what the Universe is made up of, lol. Once you understand cosmic background radiation, elemental color spectrum, how the Universe is expanding. etc. you'll see exactly why and how we can piece our universe together.

If you even had an inkling of what kind of progress we've made figuring out the big bang and more importantly evolution it would change your entire outlook on life.

Only question I have left, is if your willing to listen, lol



Ponuh is dead right on that one. Humanity has been around an insignifigant amount of time compared to how long the Earth has been around. Based on adaptation and natural selection, Darwin's observations, and several other findings, experiments, etc. evolution is the best we've got, and we've got the fossils to prove it. Again, only reason why its not considered a law is because it takes a few hundred thousand years or so, and humanity hasn't even been around that long to obseve it :p.

It's exciting stuff really, pick up a few books on astronomy and biology and check it out. Fun stuff.




Ok, last thing. Ask questions, ask lots and lots of questions, and seek answers to those questions. Follow the numbers. You'll learn a ton of stuff on what we've been able to deduce from our solar system to the universe at large, and to how physicists are toying with the idea that they're 11+1 dimensions in space time or some crazy shit like that. I've heard and read of some things that blow my mind, things so cryptic I could barely scratch the surface of it unless I really wanted to pursue physics as a serious study, but like I said I'm terrible at math. Look up more stuff on string theory if you want to see what I mean. Just start searching with the notion that they're people who come up with this stuff thet are 1,000 times more brilliant than you or me.

http://www.google.com
http://www.superstringtheory.com/

But yeah, no more posts from me this thread.

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I don't really participate in these threads because debate online isn't all that interesting. But anyway, Yarr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_textual_evidence

i have no real faith. I'm just sitting here reading what you guys are saying.

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meh, ive been on and off about the bible since i was a child. currently, and possibly temporarily, i believe that the bible is merely a group of classic stories compiled to teach people how to live truthful and just lives amongst eachother safely. the presence of god could symbolize the redeemer, but i dont like to make bs theories so i just leave it at the story part.

it could all be true, and most likely is, but today's religions are more of cults than really followers of the bible. i would never join any of the half-hearted corrupt religions planted in the US, but in the future i may join a classic christian sect in europe.

no one's probably going to read this post but i had to get it out of my head anyways, good day~

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the "big bang" is only still a theory because of all the religous fanatics out there. The general community is afraid of what they do not understand and they always go back to God. God this, God that. We "do not" have an understanding of the universe so God must have created it. Galileo was imprisoned because he followed Copernicus who said the world was not flat. Same thing today. Scientist are still scrutinized by the faith because what they say contradics their beliefs, beliefs they have had since they were children. Science is the only answer to our questions, but of course science will not be able to prove 100% without a doubt everything, but it will and can come very close, close enough to disprove all but slim slim posibilities. sorry spelling in hurry




couldnt have said that better Koda

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I think the bible got screwed up after the King James version. A king that hated christians redoing the bible probably didnt include some things. Also other things could have been hidden or left out. As for the Big Bang theory it will always be a theory. Everything is theory after all. Math, Gravity, Existence; they are all theories, concrete as they seem they can never be law.

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I'll reply more after classes, but I've taken 2 college level Astronomy courses >.< I'm familiar with how scientists use redshift and other methods to predict what galaxies are made of. I'm simply skeptical as to how accurate they are. Redshift is also under fire right now in the scientific community.

Anyways... off to Economics..... (ugh)

Orignal, by your reasoning you should be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, and just about every religion, denomination, and cult you can think of, because that's the only way you can really "play it safe."

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That's true but we all know the Mormons are right anyways.

Haha, I think I learned my lesson. I'm not going to post in these threads anymore, haha, sorry for derailing the thread Orignal.

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Hey there Whisp. Good to see you. On the topic here, you missed my point: if the Bible is true, then the ultimate power in the universe cares about us all deeply. That was the main point I was trying to make. If I'm deluded in this assertion, so be it. There are worse things I could be wasting my time on.

But your response was actually a little off. Many of the other world religions have some form of universalism (i.e. many paths to heaven). In fact most of them do accept other religions as possible avenues to paradise in an afterlife. Not so with Christianity. So if you were choosing a religion based purely on "playing it safe" Christianity would be the way to go. However, I disagree with this mentality, as some may point out, religion should be more about relationships, and less about scaring people into belief or whatever.

My entire point had nothing to do with the big bang theory, telling people they were going to hell, or anything like that. It was this: if what the Bible said is true, then no matter what I have done, or how I have lived in the past, God will still love and accept me when I choose the path to Him.

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He will love you no matter what. Even people that fall along the way he still cares for and if it's possible he most likely cares for them more. Like having two children and watching one take the right path while your other keeps falling in life. Although you love both the same amount you show more compassion to the falling child by trying to help him along the way. Instead of showing compassion for the right child however you show them how proud you are. There is no "if this --> God loves me" because it's not possible for him not to.

My feelings anyways :P I will live my life and enjoy the time I have instead of being ever fearful of the end.

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I agree with koda in that the bible is a book outlining how to live a good life. However the people who interpet and teach that book are pricks, heh.

That's what I think is so fascinating about Tibetan Buddhism (if that's what it's called...the one with the Dali Lhama, i'm not good with religions haha). Overall it appears to be very "down to earth" in a sense because it follows the core of the religion. I read a little like mini book about it in a bookstore once and was really impressed, it affected me alot lol. I think if I were to ever decide to join a religion I'd become a Buddhist.

The extremist christians I mentioned above consider buddhism and the other far eastern religions to be "cult religions". Some of those people are quoted here:

http://www.reandev.com/taliban/

Ejoy, please, for your own good, shut the hell up. It is the WEAKEST OF THE FOUR FUNDAMENTAL FORCES. It is NOT the "main force of governing", whatever that even means...the universe follows the the laws of gravity, as it does every other known force. Gravity is easy to quantify, to see, and is taught to those of young ages in a dumbed down form, but I happen to consider the ability for an nucleus of an atom to stay together (Strong Force) to be just as "important".

Indeed, the "missing matter" has been a problem in the scientific community for quite some time. Dark matter really IS just a theory, a VERY unproven one, and it very well might be wrong. Okay, so what are you saying? That gravity is fake? I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove by showing we don't know everything about gravity, except maybe that our formulae are a bit off.

Like I said before, I can't even technically prove anything anywhere ever happened at all, because we weren't "there", or at least, we're not right at this present moment, so who's to say it ever happened? But there is overwhelming, RIDICULOUSLY overwhelming evidence that the Big Bang occured, and just because it's your opinion that it's a "weak theory" doesn't make it actually so.

Evolution is another subject, I won't get into it here.

And I have no idea what High Energy Fermeon Energization really is. I didn't write it. = P

Oh crap someone just got aggresive

Gravity isnt a law it's a wide spread theory that is believed by everyone...but it is a theory.

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This theory vs. law discussion is getting out of control. There is gravity in the universe. We have a pretty good idea of how it works. We don't know everything about it. So what? It's there. Deal with it.

BTW, Arly, that sig is bitchin'.

Wow, nice one Ponuh. I'm not sure if I've ever heard a more ignorant generalizing statement. How many Bible interpreters or teachers have you actually met? My guess is, not many. I'm sure that you have met people in your life who claimed to be a Christian, or whatever, but to say that anyone who teaches the Bible is a prick? That is just downright moronic.

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I meant the people in that link below. Sorry, *some* people.

I don't mind christians in fact most of my friends are christians.

i find lds missionaries very annoying... and i am lds myself

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I love the discussion of weather gravity is law of theory because ive had it with a few people. I consider something a law if it is fact 100% of the time. Gravity cant be proven to work 100% of the time. For all we know at some time at some place something dropped may float or go upwards instead of down to earth. Many laws of science are found to not be true and for all we know Gravity is one such law. You cant say something dropped will fall to the ground 100% of the time because you can only speculate about it. You cant actually preform an infinite amount of drops for all eternity. If ya can and it does then it's a law and 100% truth^^

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lololololol

ponuh, my thoughts also, they are noobs(pricks).

yeah arlania, after king james i believe is when it started being corrupted, who really cares anymore, though? not like every detail is that important even if corrupted, as long as the main jist is there.

feep, you're a godamn noob. go take physics before you talk about gravity. id discuss it here but i dont want to teach something to an ignorant retard.

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Back to the point: If it is true, then God can accept the fact of my general disbelief of the literal translation, and know that hopefully I'm half-decent anyway. If it isn't true, then I'd hope to have lived a good life anyway. It has no huge impact on my life, however, religion has always been a frontline of education of sorts so it wouldn't be a waste.

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