I would love ... so much, to tear at this thread like a scab on my heel. Just to get some pleasure out of it, but thats wrong. And I'd only make it bleed. No good can come from that. I'd only ask you to seriously consider how many influences played into Bush's descion to pave Iraq. That on top of a few history lessons would help. Generally your perspective, however, is lacking development. Research some more and tone down the profanity if you want to have a civil, mature, discussion.

(Ok, sorry, had to pick at it a little. I'm done now. =X Really, I love people on this forum, they handle things like this really well. Much more paitent than I.)

On a lighter note ... http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/screenlick.php

KITTY! LOLOL!!!11eleven I bet Whisp already posted this somewher long ago though =p

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This thread is a joke lol

I agree. Atmosphere, you're really not well enough equipped to start a topic like this.
Propaganda and nationalism are not rational arguements.

And to reply to something you said earlier about the United States conquering Iraq in "2 weeks"...well that's utter bullshit. We fought an army in traditional warfare for two weeks, but the insurgency that insued can't be toppled really.

The nuclear bombs used in WWII were alot weaker then the newer ones made, I read that ONE of our nuclear bombs could destroy the earth. Not sure how true it is, but just think of that.

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damn the entire earth WTF is the point of that existing shit a wrong button by some lazy fucking lab tech and wed all be fucked .....hmmm GOD what do think about this PM me lol(you know who you are)but anyways on serious note i agree with arlania..

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Yeah, I'm just starting to suspect anyone who brings up politics as a troll now, haha

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Atmosphere decided to explode on arlania and ordered yarr to close his own thread...heh.

American Revolution {Please check it} Guerilla tactics is how you guys stomped Britain into the ground

BTW, ok, I'm wrong, I placed MacArthur into the wrong war. My apologies for attacking Atmosphere's argument with incorrect information

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And I still lost /cry

One thing I must say Kametatsu is that we invaded "Britain" in Canada..there was really very little difference technically between Canadian British Colonies and American. We really didn't "invade" Canada.

yea, I remembered that later.

America lost the Vietnam war because too many people opposed it, not militarily. America entered the two world wars because of attitudes like Arlania's "Let them fight their own battles"

Whats the difference between now and the 60's Ponuh or whatever? Maybe you haven't noticed but life has changed since then, America has more determined and more violent enemies now that can't fight a fair fight.

It was wrong of me to explode on Arlania for that I am sorry, but i dont take too kindly to someone who thinks segregation is an alright practice. And for people to ignore the costly lessons we learned from the two World Wars. And who still thinks it's ok to be neutral about everything. This is our world and we have to do something about it's problems we can't sit back and watch countries destroy themselves because supposedly we don't have the jurisdiction. When people are dying needlessly America and every other country SHOULD get involved. The UN and all the countries who were going to let Saddam stay in power were doing it for their own safety. France had dealings with Saddam for oil and ignored what he and his regime was doing.

Hell, I am more into the happenings of the Military than most of you. ( I said most not all do not imply things i did not say. ) You all distrust Bush so much because of his sketchy election that you can't see that he is an American who does want whats best for the world. The world can't take his American gung-ho attitude because they are afraid of change. This world desperately needs change, and we need every human we can get to help change it. The casualties sustained by civilians cannot be stopped, it's war it cannot be helped.

It's strange that you guys only attacked my arguments because of my language. It's not immature if thats your culture, I was raised on TV that says Ass, bitch, damn and other words, it's how i grew up. I have studied history, it's the thing that most interests me. I have taken the lessons learned from history and applied them to my life, maybe you guys should study it more too. Lessons learned from World Wars: You CANNOT sit back and watch things like that happen when you are in the position America is in. Soo many people cry to America when things are going wrong, and we get shit for doing what we are asked to do? (i.e. The 2004 Tsunami, what happened when America didn't give the most money? "Oh they don't care what happens")

Nationalism and propaganda? Hah. . . Which part was propaganda? The part about how America really did give Iraqi's the chance to govern themselves? Seems to me like they had their OWN elections and are deciding their OWN future, America is just giving them pointers tha have worked for us. We will stop spreading Democracy when they find some other form of government that works. Because democracy sure as hell does.

Typical scared american? Yes, I am afraid of another world war. It's stupid not to be what part about another world war isn't scary? I am very afraid of another World War because of the tolls it took on our world last time. It takes a real man to admit his fear. The fact is, World War COULD be not certainly is, because look at what is happening in the world today. Many countries that shouldn't have nuclear weapons are getting them. (i.e. Terrorist governments like Iraq, Syria, and Korea.) If and when they use them it WILL start a war, possibly a world war specially if America/Britain/Spain/ Any of our allies are the ones hit. And that last statement contradicts itself. America can't be the ONLY "person(?)" to start a world war. There are reasons it's called a world war. One country alone cannot start a world war, Germany was not alone when they started invading other countries and taking them over. America and our allies are not taking over the countries for good, we invade to take out the threats then turn the governing back to the people.

Also have you guys forgotten the fact that Korea is SELLING nuclear weapons to anyone? That is scary as hell, that means Osama could be calling up Korea and ordering one like a friggin pizza. That could mean your death too Ponuh and Canada, Radiation anyone? The land it hit being unlivable for 100 years? That is good enough cause to start a world war.

Rather than thinking about war why don't we continue to enjoy the great taste of diet Coke™ An american tradition since 1924™

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Ummm...... I dont believe any country should have nukes....



And as one of the founding fathers said.... "Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation?--Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground?--Why by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humour or caprice?"

Even he thought we should "mind our own damn buisness"


There will be no world war... because we have weapons now that can destroy this world....nukes are bargaining chips and thats all...

Korea "we have nukes"
America "yeah so do we"
Korea "we will use them"
America " and then we blow up your hemisphere.."
Korea "tou~che"

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Our Founding Fathers lived over 200 years ago, times have changed. Also should i point out they were hypocrits and racist? Equal rights for everyone, when they in fact owned slaves? They spoke about the things happening back then, they could not get involved in the Eurpean affairs because we were a brand new counrty and if we sent our few men to war who would complete our baby nation? The french revolution for one.

Arlania they also said the first world war would be the war to end all wars.

Christ and you think i don't know my history?

Ummm no. They said not to go sticking our nose in other's buisness because.............it wasnt our place... not until we could beat them! wtf is that?


HypocritEs and racist? pffft. They founded your damn country you love so much. Owning a slave was like owning a car. You always had one or more.

Yes time have changed but that doesnt mean we dont value their teachings. The past teaches us about what is to come. You dont repeat history's mistakes.




From what I can remember is we wanted to get involved but we kept back because we knew it wasnt our place.


Reading this thread is hurting my brain because of your arrogance. We are not the best country. YOU may think that but a hell of a lot of people dont. Your patriotism is blinding you.

That is all... good day



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I love the FREEDOM of America, not all of its people. Hell i don't like you Arlania, what makes the Founding Fathers any different? They didn't follow their beliefs, and hundreds even thousands of slaves died because of it.

Then you don't remember correctly Arlania. That is the truth, France wanted our help in their revolution, and we didnt go because we were still to young of a country to do anything. Does that mean we didn't want to get involved? NO it means we didn't cause our own safety was at risk. Go back to 9th grade and ask any American Rev. Teacher. France wanted our help in their revolution and Britain was still our enemy, we send our troops to fight there and Britain most likely would have invaded again when we were weak.

Whats so wrong with thinking America is the best place on Earth? You can do anything you like, you can live in complete poverty come to this country and make a fortune. You have the right to do and say what you want, that sound pretty damn nice to me.

Also we we can't sit back and let the world do whatever it wants. Heard of a thing called INTERNATIONAL COMMERCE? So in fact it is our business. Man Arlania it's hard to believe someone could care so little for the problems of others.

Your living in your own world atmos..... in the last 5 years or so people have become less and less happy with this country. Jobs are on the decline. The government is taking our liberties and throwing them out the door. The government is being bribed by people.

About slaves Atmos..... we were not the ones who kidnapped them.

Lesser african clan gets overtaken by stronger clan. Stronger clan sells lesser clan to European traders or other coastal tribes. They get on a boat and come here. We either buy them or they go to south america were they work them to death and then get a new one. Slavery is wrong yes but it was an economy.

Whats so wrong with thinking america is the best? Its the same thing that is wrong with you thinking or someone else thinking they are god's gift to the world. That is America's mentality. Its pompous and arrogant. We are no better then any other country.

This country is full of cowboys and biggots.



Umm. Let me rephrase that. you can live in complete poverty and move here. Then take out a loan to start up a buisness. Then watch your buisness get shafted because we look down on immigrants. Then you can crawl slowly up the ladder and make some money. Which then goes to pay the bank back which is now charging you an arm and a leg and about to demand your children's soul's if you dont get the cash to them. Then you can die and have nothing to give to your children.

Rich get richer. And the government holds us down.

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First off, I'm american. I suggest you read a good book (yes read a BOOK, not watch Fox News) called "The Culture of Fear". Seriously, check it out.

You are an average scared American. WWIII is not around the corner. You realize what makes a "World War", right? The MAIN factor to a world war is GIGANTIC groups of alliances, and frankly, it's one alliance (World Superpowers, NATO, UN) Vs Libya, Syria, N Korea.

Unless the french join the other side OMG i bet they will those teroristz in discize lol. God I hate french people because Bill OReilly told me to. LOLZ ^_^ Xanga.com

Yes in fact Americans DID go to African and did capture slaves. An economy? How the hell does that justify enslaving innocent people? Sure that clan crap may have happened, but you know what thats not where we got all our slaves. Seriously go back to high school and actually learn more about our countries history.

I love my country, it has its problems but so does other countries. Just because i feel it is the best doesn't make it so that is my OPINION not fact, British people feel the same about their country and so does everyone else. Does that make us all Cowboys and Biggots? No it doesn't, it means we love our home.

It's sad, i'll probably be the only one to get flamed about what i said.

Chocolate chip cookies rock!!!!!! :D

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GIGANTIC alliances??? No. . . Germany alone started the world war. Then Italy joined in then Russia and Japan. Russia did switch sides i know so dont say anything about that. Then France and Britian answered, by helping the invaded countries. OMG They got into other countries business!! Shame on them they were arrogant and nosey!

The violence in the media causes a climate of fear and desensitization. This i know all to well, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be aware and cautious of another World War happening again.