Exactly what have I said that goes against the "theory" of gravity? It's an attractive, universal force due to the curvature of space-time by matter. It can be generalized by the equation F = Gm1m2 / d^2, though that equation is only accurate in low-energy systems. Go take physics? Advanced Physics with Calculus, 3 semesters in a row, pal. And I guarantee I'm smarter than you.

I would argue with Arly, but there really isn't a point. The most beautiful response I can give is from a scene of Family Guy (the first episode after the cancellation), where Mel Gibson is chasing them across the face of Mount Rushmore. He asks where his movie is, and Peter points across the monument. Mel Gibson steps off the face, and falls a quarter mile to his death. When Lois asks why he did that, Peter responds smugly, "Christians don't believe in gravity."

Arly, you're technically correct. Gravity is not a "law", by purest definition of the word. Nothing is, because as I've been saying throughout this entire thread, NOTHING can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. But for the love of God, gravity is real, it works, it's there, and we have a pretty good idea on how it does what it does. Stop the petty arguing over how one day something might fall upwards, and accept it as truth.

Probably more pompous too, and that's saying a lot because it's Koda ;p

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No one can prove they love and know the Lord Jesus. We only have faith He will be there to greet us at the Clearing at the End of the Path.

"Out of the overflow of the heart, the mouth speaks." Bible(sorry...forget which book :P)

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Yeah i have a question. If god used to do all these amazing things why doesn't he still do them? i mean, did he intend to or something?

In biblical times he was all blatent. "AND NOW! I SHALL SUMMON A GIANT FOR YOU TO DEFEAT. AND IF YOU DEFEAT THIS GIANT THERE SHALL BE TWELVE LOVELY VIRGINS AND SHIT."

Feep is a genious, I bow down to his large brain.

Well, as long as you know it's true.

The child grew up and grew tired of torturing his ant farm :p

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Ponuh, you fool- God's too busy making Hale go 1/10 on successful promyvion runs to do any of that old biblical shit.


^Yeah, we lost to that. Lol, I just click this thread so it doesn't have that little orange symbol by the thread name. Continue arguing about how I don't exist. ER- how God doesn't exist, whatever- I'm not reading this shit.

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Orignal, religions are mutually exclusive by nature, except Bahai which is based on being all-inclusive. That means you can't be Christian and Muslim at the same time, for example. You can try to make your own fusion of the two religions, but you would then not be of either.


The same goes for me then, if god truly understands everything and loves everything, he wouldn't throw me in Hell for being a nice & moral person who just happens to not favor any religion over another, a conclusion I reached using the brain he supposedly made for me and the situations he placed me in. Same goes for the judgmental gods of all other religions. If you do play it safe and pick the local religion, in the end what you have done is wasted time and money, while becoming conformist, and having philosophical questions handed to you on a silver platter instead of coming up with your own answers, and contributed to mankind's antiprogressive and divisive nature. That's my opinion. Religion as a whole is a negative thing for mankind, even though it seems like such a saving grace in times of weakness and despair. That's when people tend to turn to religion. And it seems so great for spreading moral concepts and keeping the masses in line. But just think if people could tough-out the hard times without religion. Just think if people could remain moral and orderly without religion. Think how strong someone like that would be. And how stable. I don't need religion to keep me moral. I am moral because that's the way I have decided to be. In times of weakness, I don't back down and pray. I stand up to the situation. These are traits I like in myself, and traits I don't often see in people who are religious. I wonder which comes first, being religious or being weak? Maybe they are both instilled in people around age 3-10 and grow hand in hand together, creating masses of sheeplike, shivering, bowing, artificially selfless, and mentally stunted people. That's my opinion about religion.

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I don't know.. religion stunted evolution, stunted the heliocentric concept of the solar system, caused the dark ages, etc. etc. etc. is stunting stem cell research now. religious people also seem to be people that spread a lot of false info, like end of the world crap, bending forks with your mind, spontaneous combustion, ghosts, superstitions...

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Hahah, ok, I set myself up for that one. I mean generally religion has helped teach people a sense of morality, and to be good people. Science nonwithstanding, lol. Spirtuality attempts to teach life lessons and the such, but no, your right, fundamentalist readings never did help book-learnin'.

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A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.

-- Albert Einstein

Discuss

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"My dreams are all dead & buried. Sometimes I wish the sun would just explode. When God comes and calls me to his kingdom, I'll take all you sonsabitches when I go"

Most people are selfish, and only care about what they get out of being "nice". hey, be good and you get a big house in the sky. Be bad, and we punish you forever. I got in trouble as a kid when i stopped going to church with my family over this comment "I believe in god, I just don't like selfish people who only care what nice things they are getting when they die. I think alot of your friends are going to hell. They're only in this for themselves". Oh, that got a good beating.

Me and Whisp always did kind've have the same thought process, even if we disagree'd on politics. This is, simply, what I believe.

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To be fair, the first public schools in Europe were started by religions, allowing the mass education and evolution of the citizens of Europe, as well as giving them literacy, and probably through this precursing all of our literature.

It was something of "HERE'S EDUCATION!!!....oh shit they're figuring out their own stuff....STOOOOOOPPP"

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Other than Ponuh's ignorant posts, this has been a pretty interesting topic.

That said, I reccomend CS Lewis "Mere Christianity" for a very interesting application of religion through reasoning. It's short, and if you can dismantle it, it's great fire power for anti-theists.

Edit: 1000 posts...

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Wow dinav. Way to REALLY try and start a flame war. I'll get pissed and you'll just go "wtf ponuh you blew up retard ignorant bush gargle gargle aahhh ignorant big douchy bill oreilly face ignorant fair and balanced gargle ignorant " meanwhile you'll be stroking your penis knowing you got me to argue. GG on the derail attempt, but i'll pass on this one.

Good day.

Amen to that, Whisp. Well said.

Though that Ponuh comment was uncalled for, Dinav. He's stating his opinions, not being ignorant. There's a difference.

Dinav(what he says): Ponuh blah blah misinformed blah blah opinions blah condescending bullshit blah blah IGNORANT
Dinav(what he thinks): His opinions very from mine and I want to start some major shit. weeeewt.

Ignorant.



Ignorant

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Stupid.



Ignorant.(The burden of proof was not theirs to prove that what you said was completely made up. Because it WAS completely made up.)



Ignorant. The Pope > You on the knowledge front.



Incorrect. Evolution occurs every generation. The long term effects of such are not always seen, however, for a long duration of time. Example: The Average Human Life has increased, as well as the average human height, in only a few hundred years.



Ignorant. Simply because he never even considered that everyone has/will interpret part of the bible at some time, and he would in turn shuffle them into pricks because of it.


Everytime someone even tries to challenge me on a ponuh comment, I can bring out the arsenal that is his own stupidity. Please don't test me on it, or I may just go pull up the last few attempts people have made to tell me I was wrong about my take on ponuh. Fact is: He's never delivered even a mildly intelligent, or original thought on the forums. He just posts non-stop.

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Why is that stupid? We CAN trace the Big Bang back that far, and no, no one knows what the hell caused it or how anything came into creation in the first place. Calling that God is against YOUR religion, perhaps, but it makes perfect sense to me.

Admittedly, Ponuh made some pretty generalizing statements, but calling him ignorant because it doesn't jive with what you have to say is childish.

The average human life has increased almost entirely due to medical advances, not genetic reasons. Oh, our bodies just SUDDENLY figured out how to live longer? No. In terms of height, there has been an increase, but probably most likely due to better nutrition and balance in diets. Evolution is completely negligible over a generation, or even a hundred generations. Do you think that if I went back in time two thousand years, people would look at me and think I was a different species, or even anything significantly different than what they themselves looked like? No.

(sigh)