Mrs clinton represented a complete change on how the wife of the president is viewed. She was independant, strong and willing to do something with herself. Unlike laura bush. I view that woman as a moron.. For fucks sake for the fifth year in a row, she's made a video about her dog and his christmas...

She must be fucking bored.

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lol and according to margret cho , laura's pussy taste like lysol

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No way. Hillary was definitely not the first First Lady to be active. It is expected all First Ladies have a "pet project" that they work on. Laura Bush's is literacy, because she used to be a librarian.

Elanor Roosevelt was probably one of the most important women in the 20th Century. After FDR's death she remained very active in government and became US Ambassdor to the U.N. edit: and apparently she actually helped to create the UN and helped propose the Universal Bill of Rights.

Even Madison's wife (dolly?) was apparently very active.

I am with Ponuh on this one, Roosevelt was a great first lady but I would actually go all the way back to Madison. His wife ran into the White House to save priceless national treasuses including many painting when the Britsih burned down the White House

Yeah, I was about to say Eleanor fucking Roosevelt, jesus that women had a face on her that could scare the hair off a baby, but she was extremely active in the political sphere.

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lol mikey

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heres a cool clip on hillary in 08

http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?g=4b44a ... ult&fg=rss

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Barrack Obama said he has no connection to the Hillary Clinton video madi posted.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_ ... r/obama_ad



My guess is some republican-type people made it. Just like how Sean Hannity always talks about democrats bickering among themselves. It's a strategy to make those on the fence think democrats are unstable, and a way to keep the drama on democrats and off republicans.

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Since the video makes absolutely no sense I think that might be a safe bet. Although I don't know why you raised another thread from the dead to explain it, but whatever, haha

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HAHAHA

I think Whisp just didn't want to create a thread about it when there was one already. Maybe. >.>

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Quit bumping this fucking thread

I noticed you changed some of your earlier posts Ponuh, I didnt bother to look through all the pages tho. I also didnt realize how old this thread was. lol :p

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I just deleted all my posts. I'm so ashamed of them.

edit: not to say I was the only person in this thread who was retarded, but I was certainly one of the worst. I was so into label circlejerking, and believed into the sentiment that the democratic party was the party of the people and that the republicans were the party of the elite :| fuck

now whats your position?

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if its politics i just stick it on this thread. why make a new one? there's a difference between necro bumping and appending established threads.

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All I know is what I read in the news. I agree with damn near everything democrats want, and disagree with damn near everything republicans want. I hate talking to people about Politics because they turn their opinions into facts and it's a no win argument. I don't care to change anybody's beliefs.

I sit near a guy at work who listens to the Rush Limbaugh show (I can hear it from my desk). Rush limbaugh is the biggest fucking tard in America. If I ever saw him in real life, I'd knock him out, pummel him after he fell, spit on his face, then steal his painkillers.

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I lean towards elitism without the admittance that there's some operation connection between the elite private sector, the media and the government. So I guess I'm a hybrid of elitism and pluralism. I like to see myself as a realist because I'm deathly afraid of being called a naive (or caustic, for that matter) youth. I guess I'd define myself as a statist and a federalist. I believe that the state has the right to exercise governance because it is enumerated in the implied social contract. The problem with America is that there's such widespread voter apathy that no one cares enough to exert force on government through correct channels.

Social contract theory is about as basic as you can get when talking about American politics but it really holds the key to governing a large, diverse nation like America. We begin to see problems when people start to become so concerned with other interests (material, family, religious) that they do not exert their will upon the government and they allow the government to push their own agenda regardless of whether or not it's even remotely close to public consent or not.

My brother believes the federal government should be eradicated. I say it is essential and an entirely necessary "evil". Yes, centralization can be seen as quite an unsavory aspect of our government, but it prevents subfactions from becoming in conflict with one another. For the short time the nation was a confederacy, many states were on the brink of erupting into trade wars, states who were unfavorable with each other did not accept each other's currency, and states were binding together in factions for unfair political and economic gain. It was an unsightly mess. And think of the Civil Rights Movement, the abolitionist movement and the suffrage movement. Imagine how impossible those social revolutions would have been had there not been federal championing.

So a hipster/hippy would probably call me a facist, and a normal American would probably just perceive me as sodomite who wants to take his guns away, murder his wife's unborn baby and try to take his son to a Lisa Minelli concert but that's what I believe in a nutshell

yea thats a bit different than 2004.

i don't think i've changed much. i entirely oppose the mindset that leads to republicanism, while i entirely champion the mindset that leads to democratism. if those are words. that doesn't mean i necessarily support one party over the other. i lean towards libertarianism. i need to do some more research on the 08 candidates, but personally my early nod is to giuliani, still.

my 3 political concerns are:
Reverse the trend of political polarization in America
Support separation of church and state
And now that it matters to me, support for scientific research funding

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As the 06 midterms demonstrated, the mindsets between democrats and republicans have lost many of their distinctions. While many old-timer, established democrats are still certainly leftists, most new faces have had to swing way right to pick up votes from self-proclaimed "values voters". We have a democratic Congress now that is very much socially conservative compared to past democratically controlled Congresses, and an overwhelming amount of economic conservatism (the more benign, less discriminatory type of conservatism ;p).

In 08 (I can vote!) I would have supported and voted for Russ Feingold, simply because he was the ONLY senator of either party to vote against the Patriot Act (it was 99-1) and obviously because of his campaign finance reform efforts.

Whisp I think I might start a thread soon with "list your 3 most important political concerns of the 2008 election" just so we don't have to post in this shitty old thread

http://debates.news.yahoo.com/

This site has some good video clips of 8 democratic candidates speaking about the issues.
I've watched hillary, obama, kucinich, and edwards on Iraq. This, along with about a dozen podcasts make me think Obama is the most impressive speaker & thinker. I haven't done much research, but so far I'd lean toward Obama.

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I think the most outstanding feature of this thread is that it reminded me that I've been browsing these forums since 2004. Wowzeerrrrs.

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OMG!

i hope obama wins this.

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I have a bad feeling that if obama wins it's gonna be jfk all over again

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what the fuck does this even mean