Well, hehe, I was trying to stay away from the whole, repent or you are going to hell thing. I don't believe that scare tactic is an effective way to argue or explain my faith.
If you want to get to the heart of the matter, yes a large percentage of Christians believe that conversion to Christianity is the only way to heaven. I share the same sentiment as most of the people on here who hope that all good people can go to heaven, but rationally, I don't know that will be the case. Most of the major world religions have some measure of universalistic thought (that if you believe in god in some form you will go on to a pleasant afterlife). Christianity is an exception to that.
But again, this is not at the heart of my beliefs, and certainly not what I view as the most important. If God wants to allow me into heaven, I'm not going to complain about him allowing all good people. To me the most important part of my faith is personal. I believe that a perfectly innocent person died so that I could go to heaven. To me it's that simple. Because that is what I believe, I have no choice but to try to live up to that sacrifice, not that I can earn my way to heaven, but that I want to try to live in the right way. I hope I didn't randomly ramble too much there, lol.

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Why, for god's sake why is there any indication that your religion is right and the other religions are wrong? Just because we live in a world where there are christians around every corner doesn't mean it's the correct faith, if any.


Almost every Christian I know has laughed or would laugh at Native American religion/lore. They thought them unbelievable fairytales. Well, their stories aren't any less absurd or unbelieveable.

I dont know ponuh, i think you need to do a little more homework before
you come out and say what you "think" is right but with no real knowledge
of what you are actually saying.

I'd like to show you guys a little something i found.

It could be what some of you are looking for as an answer of the creation
of earth, the planets & so forth.

http://www.maggiesattic.net/q7_creation_science.html

Its easy for us to question certain things, but the facts are that certain
events in the old testament were in factual places that still exist to
this date. Yes, you can go see where jesus was put after crusified,
you could go to the places where jesus acomplished his miracles.
These places are all stated in the bible, its like a map.
I'm not preaching to anyone, but the bible also states that those who have
"heard" the "truth" (this being any sort of preaching or anything related)
and disregard it, in our beliefs, you sure arent going to heaven, even if
you feed homeless puppy's and pay your taxes.

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Also, if you have any doubt about history being stated in the
bible 3500 years ago, take a peak: http://www.maggiesattic.net/q9_historic ... bible.html

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But ya, interesting read. The thing is, history in itself is filled with lies and half truths. We won't ever know what really happened everywhere, just bits and pieces of it. It's kinda like if a person only watches Fox News for their opinions and information. The more historians found in a time period, the better chance there is at something being accurate and truthful. World history is just as flawed as religious history. Heh. Those who won the battles and wars got to write it, for the most part.

That sure is one way to look at it, and its a quite fair way to think of things.
Sometimes though, when i watch a movie and read a book, and i see
things such as demons, angels, heaven and hell, i start to think to myself,
if these things had no realism, then how come its the biggest influence
in our thoughts, decisions and actions. If anyone watched constentine,
they know exacly what i'm talking about. Cults do exist, cults that exercise
voodooism and such things, and there are things that happen in these places that cannot be explained, other then it being the work or something
we cannot see, some power we cant imagine. This would be the other extreme side of this subject.
Or, do you really think those suicide bombers that believe the more they
kill the higher of a reward they will are crazy in their heads? They are, but
thats is something else that influence them to do it, which is religion.
Some, give their lives for religion sake, and some decide to live differently.

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Every time period has it's own facisination of fear based on social/religious/environmental landscape. During the middle ages, the biggest fear was demons, vampires and whatnot (in terms of religious/supernatural stuff). Ancient Japan had onis and kappas. Modern America has aliens. There's always something in the corner of our minds in which we fear. Granted not everyone is in the corner at night screaming about aliens sticking probes in their ass.. but you get the idea.

If you want to see something neat, check out the teachings of Zarathustra. It's very similiar to Christianity, and predates it.

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Man.. go read a bible.

http://www.bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp





See previous answer.

(It's better for you to find the answer yourself. That way you don't have to fight with me about what is right and I don't have to waste my time explaining it.)

Anyone that believes in god is a fool. I really wish there was a place after this life, where you are eternily happy. Where you just sit and eat the best chocolate chip cookies ever made all day long with a cold glass of milk. Sorry I don't buy it. Why are we here? We will never know. But it isn't to worship a God. I was raised morman till i was 18 so don't tell me i don't know anything about the bible or history. I hope when I die I do go to this heaven you all speak of.

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To procreate.

There is always and always has been a purpose for everything. Everything.

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Don't worry, we who believe think you are just a big a fool for not believing in God. Oh and since you were raised mormon you should know that you need to believe in God and Jesus Christ to go to heaven. Since you don't believe... you ain't going.

You can't just say that and not expect an angry response. I think of myself as a very kind person. I do charity work etc etc. However i don't say i totally believe in god.. Does that make me evil to the core? Does that automatically warrant me a ticket to hell? Even though i'm a good person? The answer is no... I don't think God and jesus for that matter would allow that even if they didn't believe in them right away ...

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Believe in a God that is waiting for you in a paradise or something...maybe someone is a fool to think that. But again, try explaining our existence, or the reason there is a universe made of matter that allowed us to exists with science. You can't. You could always find something smaller or something bigger but you will never come to something like "We exist because of this. The End."

God, even if it's just an hypothesis, allow us to answer this interrogation. It doesn't explain us what it is or how does it work, but since nobody know, I think it's safe to say we can't blame anyone for their faith because none of us have any clues about the nature of God.


Sorry in advance for saying stuff that dont make any sense.

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I'm not trying to piss anyone off. I didn't make the rules but I'm telling it like it is. You are certainly free to live however you want to.

nevermind, this post is not good for discussion :p

Atheism is too much of a fad nowadays. People disbelieve God(As poster above has) without reason. They just "don't believe" which is bs. There are reasons for belief, it's not something people just made up. Personally when I hear someone was raised as a MORMAN till 18 and doesn't believe in Heaven, I'm thinking he just got tired of the bullshit being fed to him, but then encompassed it to all religions.

Personally I fall under Agnostic if anything. I know a good amount about Christianity, some other religions, etc. as well as Atheism. No one has ALL of their shit strait, so I just don't care. I'm not taking sides, just living my life as best I can and crossing my fingers.

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these rules... that you speak of. Were written by people. People are flawed by nature. Guilt greed evil , caring kind loving. All were built into us. It up to us what we do with them.. Whatever made us gave us free will. Gay people by what the bible teaches automatically have a ticket to hell. Because of there sexuality? COme on now... Again like i said the bible was written by people over the ages simply to control the masses. Even living in a modern age like we do. We still have religion. It some ways i can even say religion is evil.. It turns us against each other . Holy wars even our wars now all affected by our beliefs. I"m basically gonna say it Religion is evil and so is money... Its up to us as people with free will to really see whats going on.

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The mikey's have a plan. Djay isn't all powerful.

dinav: I am not atheist because it is a "fad". I don't believe in a god. My mom is christian, my grandparents are christian, I just don't believe in a higher power.

Do I know how the world, how the plants, how we were created? No, I don't. I see religion as a theory.

I'm sorry that I can't take christianity at face value, but I just can't agree with some of the things said within the bible.

EDIT: mikey makes a good point. WTF is up with the crusades? The knights slaughtered thousands if not hundreds of thousands and yet, they go to heaven because it was "in the name of god"?

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Anyway, this thread should probably end soon. The point of this isn't to mock other people's opinions and to pass judgement. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. ;p

You do know it's not a sin to be gay, correct?

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You wish ass cracker.