they would me!!!! I am huge compared to them, and I am from seattle. I am white as hell. Well... a few days there and I won't be, damn being party greek >.< I would be gigantous homsarous pwnzor.

Actually the Big Bang theory remains a theory. You can't trace something you have no proof of existance to. You can trace back when you think it may have happened, but it might not have happened at all. It's just a very popular theory.

And yes...we would be evolving to live longer as our bodies retain and gain immunities to diseases/sickness that such repel the long term damages they may install into us, allowing us to live longer with less degregation of life.

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Your a little late on that post, haha. We already bitched about theory, go back a couple of pages. Its derailing from Orignal's main point. And cosmic background radiation irl seriously. Same goes for evolution, but I agree with you there, hah.

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I read it the first time...someone else didn't apparently. I was just reiterating it.

Short and Simple Point: You can not measure what may not exist.

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Yeah, we've had the Big Bang theory discussion already, I won't get back into it. But it's a pretty damn good one, and at the very least, it stands a very good chance of being true. We know exactly how it (might have) happened, but not how it (might have) started. So why are you pigeonholing anyone who thinks it may have happened as an idiot? Oh, gee, they believe something different than you, they must be morons. How open-minded of you.

Once again, our bodies' evolution over the past few hundred years is negligible. The reason we're living longer, like I said, it due almost ENTIRELY due to medical advances. Our children do not retain the ability to fight diseases you have had...any resistance is created by exposure to the disease and a build-up of your immune system to fight it. Immunizations, faccines, blood transfusions, organ transplants, medical drugs, imaging technologies. This is why we live longer.

Why not?

Because you wouldn't know when it existed, if the existance falls into question.

And different opinion? I don't believe anything other than the Big Bang theory. I just know it's just that: a THEORY. I'd be open to any other plausible explanation. Feep you need to grow up a bit.

And yes, certain people, through genetics, are even immune to certain ailments(there was an interesting study done a few years back about a sect of people who just happened to be immune to cancer). The spreading of these genes would be evolution...

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The Big Bang Theory is based on two facts.
F1. Something like 90% of galaxies are moving away from one another.
F2. There is a nearly uniform microwave radiation coming from every direction in space.

Scientists then take those two facts and create two theories that go together and support one another:
T1. The reason galaxies are mostly moving away from one another is because they are all expanding outward from a common point where a massive explosion they call the Big Bang took place.
T2. The radiation coming from every direction in space is coming from the "edge" of everything that exploded outward from the Big Bang; that "edge" is still out there, expanding into space, but very far away.

Scientists that call themselves cosmologists, meaning they try to theorize about the origin of space and time, then come up with a theory that is based on other theories:
Time and space began with the Big Bang.




A theory that is based on other theories is quite weak scientifically. It's great to come up with things like that, but "time and space began with the Big Bang" cannot be tested yet, so it's kind of lame that all other theories are disregarded. For instance, the Steady-State Theory, which states that time and space have always existed and have no boundaries, is now considered trash. For me, that is unfortunate because that is what I believe. I take the first fact listed at the top of this post and conclude for myself that a massive massive massive explosion did take place relatively nearby and relatively recently, and is sending matter out in all directions, but that it was only an occurrence in time & space, not the beginning of time & space. Our telescopes can't see everything.

I used to be an astrophysics major, but I was totally disgusted by the conformity I saw in my otherwise brilliant peers.

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Evolution, on the other hand, is much closer to the characteristics of a fact.

F1. Animals bred for certain characteristics show that animals will evolve over time.
F2. Bacteria exposed to antibiotics show that only the bacteria with genetics that can resist antibiotics in some way can surive to reproduce, leading to colonies of new, evolved bacteria that are resistant.
F3. Many animals released into the wild, like finches or pigeons, have been seen to evolve from the common ancestor released into the wild into many different variations, and sometimes different species altogether.
F4. Fossil records, combined with geological knowledge, show that animals evolve over time in a linear fashion, not always "toward progress," but linearly toward whatever adapts to the environment.
F5. The rise of the science of genetics provides the proof that changes in DNA are the cause of evolution.

There is much much much more than just this, but it's a start. These facts together create the concept of evolution, which was once considered a theory, but is now considered a fact. Of course there is a group of people, called religious people, that see a conflict between evolution and religion. There is no necessary conflict. But to those people that demand to believe that their god created every organism as they are today, or to those people that demand to believe that any organisms' change over time is due to divine intervention rather than any natural cause, evolution poses a threat. Not to mention it's quite fashionable among religious people to be totally against evolution. Very, very fashionable. It's kind of sad that people try to cling to "creation" over evolution, citing their Bible, which happens to be the epitomy of primative science, or citing the lack of fossils, or just the notion of a scientific conspiracy.

It's a sign of the times. Meaning, it won't be too much longer until everything that was once unknown and explained only by supernatural powers, will become scientifically explainable, and there will be no need for religion to quench the thirst of a young, curious brain.

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You're missing the damn point of both things I'm saying. The first point: you called Ponuh "stupid" for believing that 1) The Big Bang happened and 2) God caused it. Apparently now you're saying you believe the Big Bang theory. So why is Ponuh an idiot for thinking that God caused it?

Secondly, yeah, there are select groups of people who've retained an actual cellular deformation and other such characteristics to resist diseases (the most noted is the famous Sickle Cell Anemia group to resist Malaria, in Africa), but this is a VERY small percentage of the world, and for the god damn billionth time, it's MEDICAL advances, not evolution as a RACE, that has provided our recent longevity.

I need to grow up because I believe something happened, despite there not being 100% proof? Gee. I guess EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO BELIEVES IN GOD IS A JUVENILE ASSHOLE.

Ponuh is stupid because ponuh is stupid. I said his belief that we could measure the exact time of the Big Bang was stupid...nothing else. Reading comprehension.

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What's the difference betwen poor reading comprehension and "misreading" something?

Ponuh that's easy. You misread if it's you, and it's poor reading comprehension if it's someone you are argueing with. duh =P

ponuh is usually the only person i agree with on any topic

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Wonderful, educated response, "Ponuh is stupid because Ponuh is stupid". If I remember correctly, and I do, all you did was quote the sentence in which he stated his beliefs, and then wrote the one word, "Stupid", beneath it. Yeah, that OBVIOUSLY doesn't refer to the thing you JUST quoted, and there's plenty of other well-thought out remarks accompanying the insult to support it.

I would tell you to quit while you're ahead, but you're not ahead. So just be quiet. = P

I heard if you say Ponuh's name five times he appears.

Edit: Holy shit, I tried this irl and it totally works. Except first you have to call him, and after saying his name you have to tell him to come over.

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Or you can just ignore the ...5 other cites of his absense of intelligence. Reading Comprehension.

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I'm not the one who needs to brush up on his reading and writing skills, pal.

I read the other "cites". They were almost equally as flawed, so yes, I chose to ignore them. This thread has gotten way off its original intended purpose, and the flame war is boring me. See ya in another topic.

people should just calm down. no matter how many theories and generalizations you throw out, people will still believe what they want to. the most you can do is provide information for them to ponder your point of view..

everyone should just relax

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Wow. Is there anything more ironic than that?

A TYPO! You know what that means....


WITCH! WITCH! BURN HIM!

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anyone who still thinks black holes don't exist needs to do some research on NASA's Swift satellite....

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