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PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 10:02 am 
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http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/ ... st_is.html

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ROFL I saw this earlier this morning.

The look on Mike Meyers face if freaking hilarious.


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I thought I should add something here. lol

When I posted that thread about looting vs finding I meant it as a joke. The odds are that those captions were probably written by different people who used different terms for the same situation.

This guy is a retard. Do people honestly think that La. is only black people or something? There are a lot of people in trouble and they're not all black. This guy took that a little too far. I would like to see a little more into those pics and find out if they really were written by the same person...


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Yeah I know it was a joke.. But K. West saw the post and was outraged >.>;

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Just wanna say one thing i'm no racist but.. i dont think George Bush gives a shit period.

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that was hilarious... that goes on my top 10 "spur of the moment quotes" of all time

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Just wanna say one thing i'm no racist but.. i dont think George Bush gives a shit period.



yup lol. and not to be racist either but America gives a lot to minorities.. A LOT.

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yup lol. and not to be racist either but America gives a lot to minorities.. A LOT.


unless you're asian, then you are no longer in the minority group, you get no scholarship from colleges, and get no benefits whatsoever.

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September 4, 2005
Do You Know What It Means to Lose New Orleans?
By ANNE RICE
La Jolla, Calif.

WHAT do people really know about New Orleans?

Do they take away with them an awareness that it has always been not only a great white metropolis but also a great black city, a city where African-Americans have come together again and again to form the strongest African-American culture in the land?

The first literary magazine ever published in Louisiana was the work of black men, French-speaking poets and writers who brought together their work in three issues of a little book called L'Album Littéraire. That was in the 1840's, and by that time the city had a prosperous class of free black artisans, sculptors, businessmen, property owners, skilled laborers in all fields. Thousands of slaves lived on their own in the city, too, making a living at various jobs, and sending home a few dollars to their owners in the country at the end of the month.

This is not to diminish the horror of the slave market in the middle of the famous St. Louis Hotel, or the injustice of the slave labor on plantations from one end of the state to the other. It is merely to say that it was never all "have or have not" in this strange and beautiful city.

Later in the 19th century, as the Irish immigrants poured in by the thousands, filling the holds of ships that had emptied their cargoes of cotton in Liverpool, and as the German and Italian immigrants soon followed, a vital and complex culture emerged. Huge churches went up to serve the great faith of the city's European-born Catholics; convents and schools and orphanages were built for the newly arrived and the struggling; the city expanded in all directions with new neighborhoods of large, graceful houses, or areas of more humble cottages, even the smallest of which, with their floor-length shutters and deep-pitched roofs, possessed an undeniable Caribbean charm.

Through this all, black culture never declined in Louisiana. In fact, New Orleans became home to blacks in a way, perhaps, that few other American cities have ever been. Dillard University and Xavier University became two of the most outstanding black colleges in America; and once the battles of desegregation had been won, black New Orleanians entered all levels of life, building a visible middle class that is absent in far too many Western and Northern American cities to this day.

The influence of blacks on the music of the city and the nation is too immense and too well known to be described. It was black musicians coming down to New Orleans for work who nicknamed the city "the Big Easy" because it was a place where they could always find a job. But it's not fair to the nature of New Orleans to think of jazz and the blues as the poor man's music, or the music of the oppressed.

Something else was going on in New Orleans. The living was good there. The clock ticked more slowly; people laughed more easily; people kissed; people loved; there was joy.

Which is why so many New Orleanians, black and white, never went north. They didn't want to leave a place where they felt at home in neighborhoods that dated back centuries; they didn't want to leave families whose rounds of weddings, births and funerals had become the fabric of their lives. They didn't want to leave a city where tolerance had always been able to outweigh prejudice, where patience had always been able to outweigh rage. They didn't want to leave a place that was theirs.

And so New Orleans prospered, slowly, unevenly, but surely - home to Protestants and Catholics, including the Irish parading through the old neighborhood on St. Patrick's Day as they hand out cabbages and potatoes and onions to the eager crowds; including the Italians, with their lavish St. Joseph's altars spread out with cakes and cookies in homes and restaurants and churches every March; including the uptown traditionalists who seek to preserve the peace and beauty of the Garden District; including the Germans with their clubs and traditions; including the black population playing an ever increasing role in the city's civic affairs.

Now nature has done what the Civil War couldn't do. Nature has done what the labor riots of the 1920's couldn't do. Nature had done what "modern life" with its relentless pursuit of efficiency couldn't do. It has done what racism couldn't do, and what segregation couldn't do either. Nature has laid the city waste - with a scope that brings to mind the end of Pompeii.



I share this history for a reason - and to answer questions that have arisen these last few days. Almost as soon as the cameras began panning over the rooftops, and the helicopters began chopping free those trapped in their attics, a chorus of voices rose. "Why didn't they leave?" people asked both on and off camera. "Why did they stay there when they knew a storm was coming?" One reporter even asked me, "Why do people live in such a place?"

Then as conditions became unbearable, the looters took to the streets. Windows were smashed, jewelry snatched, stores broken open, water and food and televisions carried out by fierce and uninhibited crowds.

Now the voices grew even louder. How could these thieves loot and pillage in a time of such crisis? How could people shoot one another? Because the faces of those drowning and the faces of those looting were largely black faces, race came into the picture. What kind of people are these, the people of New Orleans, who stay in a city about to be flooded, and then turn on one another?

Well, here's an answer. Thousands didn't leave New Orleans because they couldn't leave. They didn't have the money. They didn't have the vehicles. They didn't have any place to go. They are the poor, black and white, who dwell in any city in great numbers; and they did what they felt they could do - they huddled together in the strongest houses they could find. There was no way to up and leave and check into the nearest Ramada Inn.

What's more, thousands more who could have left stayed behind to help others. They went out in the helicopters and pulled the survivors off rooftops; they went through the flooded streets in their boats trying to gather those they could find. Meanwhile, city officials tried desperately to alleviate the worsening conditions in the Superdome, while makeshift shelters and hotels and hospitals struggled.

And where was everyone else during all this? Oh, help is coming, New Orleans was told. We are a rich country. Congress is acting. Someone will come to stop the looting and care for the refugees.

And it's true: eventually, help did come. But how many times did Gov. Kathleen Blanco have to say that the situation was desperate? How many times did Mayor Ray Nagin have to call for aid? Why did America ask a city cherished by millions and excoriated by some, but ignored by no one, to fight for its own life for so long? That's my question.

I know that New Orleans will win its fight in the end. I was born in the city and lived there for many years. It shaped who and what I am. Never have I experienced a place where people knew more about love, about family, about loyalty and about getting along than the people of New Orleans. It is perhaps their very gentleness that gives them their endurance.

They will rebuild as they have after storms of the past; and they will stay in New Orleans because it is where they have always lived, where their mothers and their fathers lived, where their churches were built by their ancestors, where their family graves carry names that go back 200 years. They will stay in New Orleans where they can enjoy a sweetness of family life that other communities lost long ago.

But to my country I want to say this: During this crisis you failed us. You looked down on us; you dismissed our victims; you dismissed us. You want our Jazz Fest, you want our Mardi Gras, you want our cooking and our music. Then when you saw us in real trouble, when you saw a tiny minority preying on the weak among us, you called us "Sin City," and turned your backs.

Well, we are a lot more than all that. And though we may seem the most exotic, the most atmospheric and, at times, the most downtrodden part of this land, we are still part of it. We are Americans. We are you.

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PS. maybe bush doesn't hate black people. but obviously he hates poor people. and hates anything to do with the environment or helping people in our own damn country in general.
and I think that he was too damn busy being on vacation and spending money on other countries, where we have no business being there in the first place. and what? it took him a like what? 7 days before he finally decided that our country was worth his full attention? i know that the mess up probably wasn't his fault... for once. but seriously, he needs to shut the fuck up and stop trying to make a game out of everything. every word that comes out of his mouth just makes him look like the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. this is serious, and he is going around on his ranch in cowboy grab and cracking jokes, having lunch with that moron roberts, and flicking the bird at the media. while a fourth of his country drowns. WTF! I am glad that we are finally, a week later, so importent that you decide to leave your vacation earily.

and it just pisses me off. when the last hurricane was going to hit the rich areas of florida, aid was there a whole day BEFORE.
5 days to get food and water in to my city, one of this country's major port cities and a city who has the richest culture in the country is an insult.
and MAYBE... who knows, but just MAYBE if there was food and water and all the basic needs, there wouldn't have been looters there to burn it down.

it makes me so angry.

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Bush called for aid for New Orleans two days BEFORE the hurricane happened.

It's easy to point fingers at the President, I guess. Especially when you already hate him.

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It's important people understand a few things of what happens in a crisis. When we thought it was going to hit florida, and destroy it we started moving aid in. We had ALOT more warning with florida, and some aid is already given in that area as perperation for this particular season. They had but a few days to pack up their gear, help those in need in florida, and move their ass to the new area. On top of that let's think for just a moment if we had gotten there two days early. The supplies would most likely be destroyed, and there would be more dead due to over crowding. What alot of people don't take into consideration is how long it takes to get supplies ready, and move out. As civilians we have the benefit of hind sight to make our arguements. The gulf spans roughly 600 miles (across not coastline), and Katrina was 400 across. Who gets the aid? You only have enough for one. What if you send it to the wrong place? Alot of people are going to die. It's the theory of which starving family gets the bread. Yes, the red cross turned down the water from a private supplier because they were unsure if it would be safe for truckers to get down there. Mitsy you most likely saw all of the downed trees, it took 6 hours to get from county to county for the rescue workers. what happened is horrible, but you can't blame people for how it is going. When you are doing all you can, and it just isn't enough. I used to work with disaster relief when I lived in the south because my parents did. There was a pretty bad storm that brought a few tornados through and alot of flooding. 2 developments were under water, and 1 was hit by a tornado. We only had enough supplies to help one. Can you pick who gets the help? I couldn't. Right now an entire coast line is under water. Who gets the help? New Orleans is all over the news, but it's the same story everywhere. I lost family in Biloxi because of this, but I am from a military family. I have seen how hard these people fight to keep others alive during relief efforts. It's not like the movies where they have all of the supplies in one area near the disaster. They have enough for the base, and a small number of refugees. It takes days, and sometimes weeks just for supplies to get in. How badly would we have attacked them if right away they went with only one truck load? Hey, they would be there fast, but one truck load isn't going to do anything. I am not a bush suppourter, or anyone for that matter. All I want is people to see it's easy for us to say "where is the help?" when we aren't the ones who have to stop a truck ever 10-15miles then spend almost half an hour moving a tree out of the road.


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As I said, Bush Called for Aid two days before the cane hit. FEMA did not act until 4 hours after the hurricane ceased to exist(NOT 4 hours after it passed from N.O., mind you. 4 hours after it went through the US and dissapated.)

The supplies were supposed to be here. FEMA fucked up.

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Or an incredibly large one.

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A goverement can be large without being lazy, this is true. However it is rarely the case, much the same with people. Now all political views aside we should better place those in another thread.


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were quicker to respond to things outside our country than things that of which happen inside our own....


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GEORGE BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT TARUTARUS!

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When the World Trade Towers were attacked, the entire country rallied to support New York and the families of the victims effected by the event. It was really quite amazing. I just wish that the same sort of support was there for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. There needs to be more funds, more people, and more effort going into helping out with the shit that's going on now in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. It just makes me so damn sad thinking about it.


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different mentality with them. One we have someone we can beat up for closure, the other one we just help people without beating someone up. I know it sounds stupid, but I am drunk thusly I am 98% stupid.


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PS. maybe bush doesn't hate black people. but obviously he hates poor people. and hates anything to do with the environment or helping people in our own damn country in general.
and I think that he was too damn busy being on vacation and spending money on other countries, where we have no business being there in the first place. and what? it took him a like what? 7 days before he finally decided that our country was worth his full attention? i know that the mess up probably wasn't his fault... for once. but seriously, he needs to shut the fuck up and stop trying to make a game out of everything. every word that comes out of his mouth just makes him look like the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. this is serious, and he is going around on his ranch in cowboy grab and cracking jokes, having lunch with that moron roberts, and flicking the bird at the media. while a fourth of his country drowns. WTF! I am glad that we are finally, a week later, so importent that you decide to leave your vacation earily.
and it just pisses me off. when the last hurricane was going to hit the rich areas of florida, aid was there a whole day BEFORE.
5 days to get food and water in to my city, one of this country's major port cities and a city who has the richest culture in the country is an insult.
and MAYBE... who knows, but just MAYBE if there was food and water and all the basic needs, there wouldn't have been looters there to burn it down.

it makes me so angry.


Yup, too busy blowing up inocent ppl in other countries at the moment to take care of his own.
I also find it funny how all the wealthy ppl managed to 'escape' the storm. Yes there was an evacuation order, but there are so many ppl who can't afford to just buy a plane ticket or rent a car (not everyone can afford a car) to get out of harm's way.

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As I said, Bush Called for Aid two days before the cane hit. FEMA did not act until 4 hours after the hurricane ceased to exist(NOT 4 hours after it passed from N.O., mind you. 4 hours after it went through the US and dissapated.)

The supplies were supposed to be here. FEMA fucked up.


Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FEMA one of the few organizations that must report and take orders DIRECTLY from your so-called president?

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When the World Trade Towers were attacked, the entire country rallied to support New York and the families of the victims effected by the event. It was really quite amazing. I just wish that the same sort of support was there for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. There needs to be more funds, more people, and more effort going into helping out with the shit that's going on now in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. It just makes me so damn sad thinking about it.


I completely agree with you, but the victims of the World Trade Towers were not poor, though.


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Yup, too busy blowing up inocent ppl in other countries at the moment to take care of his own.
I also find it funny how all the wealthy ppl managed to 'escape' the storm. Yes there was an evacuation order, but there are so many ppl who can't afford to just buy a plane ticket or rent a car (not everyone can afford a car) to get out of harm's way.


Excuse me. I was in direct path of the hurricane, and I had the common sense to leave the saturday before. I'm not "wealthy" and I find it ironic that anyone who is not from here has the gull to speak about the area as if you were a god damn local. The evacuation was called as mandatory, and for those who could not get out, the superdome was opened. The problem came because they were supposed to be removed from the dome as soon as the storm ended, but FEMA sat on it's ass and left them to die. Lots of people in the 9th ward and surrounding areas DID stay behind to loot. People looking at pictures and acting like we're racist don't know the areas. I'm not going to get into the geography of the areas, because no one really cares. But don't play the damn race card, because no one here did, and the President certainly did not.

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As I said, Bush Called for Aid two days before the cane hit. FEMA did not act until 4 hours after the hurricane ceased to exist(NOT 4 hours after it passed from N.O., mind you. 4 hours after it went through the US and dissapated.)

The supplies were supposed to be here. FEMA ------ up.


Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FEMA one of the few organizations that must report and take orders DIRECTLY from your so-called president?


And he said "Go" and they didn't. Not a logistical issue.

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When the World Trade Towers were attacked, the entire country rallied to support New York and the families of the victims effected by the event. It was really quite amazing. I just wish that the same sort of support was there for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. There needs to be more funds, more people, and more effort going into helping out with the shit that's going on now in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. It just makes me so damn sad thinking about it.


I completely agree with you, but the victims of the World Trade Towers were not poor, though.


Whose fault is that? The only people who initially did step up was NY and the rest of Lousiana. The rest of the country told us to basically fuck off until they realized no one was going to help. By Day 2 they realized "shit, no one's done anything to help" and it was already too late. I was lucky, thank god. My home is fine, save a fence missing and one of my trees snapped cleanly in half.

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Yup, too busy blowing up inocent ppl in other countries at the moment to take care of his own.
I also find it funny how all the wealthy ppl managed to 'escape' the storm. Yes there was an evacuation order, but there are so many ppl who can't afford to just buy a plane ticket or rent a car (not everyone can afford a car) to get out of harm's way.


Excuse me. I was in direct path of the hurricane, and I had the common sense to leave the saturday before. I'm not "wealthy" and I find it ironic that anyone who is not from here has the gull to speak about the area as if you were a god damn local. The evacuation was called as mandatory, and for those who could not get out, the superdome was opened. The problem came because they were supposed to be removed from the dome as soon as the storm ended, but FEMA sat on it's ass and left them to die. Lots of people in the 9th ward and surrounding areas DID stay behind to loot. People looking at pictures and acting like we're racist don't know the areas. I'm not going to get into the geography of the areas, because no one really cares. But don't play the damn race card, because no one here did, and the President certainly did not.

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As I said, Bush Called for Aid two days before the cane hit. FEMA did not act until 4 hours after the hurricane ceased to exist(NOT 4 hours after it passed from N.O., mind you. 4 hours after it went through the US and dissapated.)

The supplies were supposed to be here. FEMA ------ up.


Ummm...correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FEMA one of the few organizations that must report and take orders DIRECTLY from your so-called president?


And he said "Go" and they didn't. Not a logistical issue.

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When the World Trade Towers were attacked, the entire country rallied to support New York and the families of the victims effected by the event. It was really quite amazing. I just wish that the same sort of support was there for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. There needs to be more funds, more people, and more effort going into helping out with the shit that's going on now in New Orleans and the surrounding areas. It just makes me so damn sad thinking about it.


I completely agree with you, but the victims of the World Trade Towers were not poor, though.


Whose fault is that? The only people who initially did step up was NY and the rest of Lousiana. The rest of the country told us to basically fuck off until they realized no one was going to help. By Day 2 they realized "shit, no one's done anything to help" and it was already too late. I was lucky, thank god. My home is fine, save a fence missing and one of my trees snapped cleanly in half.


Hi, I didnt try to speak as though I am a local lol, I just said that your dumbass president doesn't give a shit about poor ppl. I also didn't play the race card lol. I am not against you, all I'm saying is the Bush Admin didn't do fuck all because most of the victims are poor.

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