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The man who was shot during an anti-terrorist raid in east London has said he feared he would be killed.

Abul Koyair, 20, and his injured brother Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, were released without charge a week after the raid on their Forest Gate home.

Mr Kahar said: "I thought one by one they're going to kill us. At that time I thought I was going to die."

The police earlier said they were acting on "specific intelligence" that a chemical device was in the house.

According to the brothers' lawyer, the unsuccessful police search included digging up plants in the garden and drilling holes in the shower.

Mr Kahar said he "had no idea" who spoke to the police, prompting the raid.

'Seemed like fire'

"From my point of view the person who did this they have terrorised me and my family," he said.

Speaking at a press conference, Mr Kahar said he was in great pain when he was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound, saying: "It seemed like fire. I was burning."

At one point Mr Kahar broke down in tears as he described the raid, involving 250 police, which he initially thought was a robbery.

He described the moment when he was shot. "We both had eye contact, he shot me straight away," he said.

"I just saw an orange spark and a big bang. I flew into the wall, slipped down. There was blood coming down my chest. I knew I was shot.

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I feel fear when the room is dark
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"It's ruined my life from the day, from the time they entered my house. It's turned my life upside down."

He alleged he was dragged from the house onto the street where an officer applied pressure to the wound. It was only then Mr Kahar said he realised that police were involved.

He said he had been unable to sleep since the raid.

"I can't go sleep, I keep on having flashbacks, I can't go sleep with the light off. I feel fear when the room is dark."

Mr Koyair also gave his version of what happened during the police raid.

"All of a sudden my brother went down the second sets of stairs and I heard a loud bang, and it was a big flash and then after that everything was so quiet," he said.

"No-one said nothing, I thought it was like a dream at first, no-one was speaking, saying anything.

"After about one, two minutes I realised that this is not a dream. I realised that my own brother got shot for no reason."

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When asked if the Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair should resign over the raid, Mr Kahar said: "I believe I shouldn't have been shot."

Mr Koyair added: "We feel that whoever is responsible should be put to justice. Sir Ian Blair, whoever gave the order for this to happen."

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The brothers, who had been held under the Terrorism Act 2000, were released on 10 June after police found no trace of an alleged chemical device at their home.

The solicitor for the two brothers reportedly said they planned to sue the police, but Mr Kahar said: "I am not interested in money at all. I want everyone to be brought before the courts for the way I was shot."

He was more interested in getting an apology from the police.

"I want everyone that was involved, whoever gave the order for the raid to happen, for the shot to go off, everyone involved to apologise."

The police have defended the raid and the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.

The director of campaign group Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, said questions remained about the "appropriateness of [police] action".

She did not want to prejudge any official scrutiny of the raid, but added: "We also have to concerned about the shot and why that was necessary."

Author:	Mandos [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:47 am ]
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5075352.stm There is a video link to a press conference the family gave too via that webpage if you can access it, or I just quoted the text below. Basically a big story here about an asian man living in East London who the police shot and raided his house thinking his family home was in fact a terrorist cell creating chemical/biological weapons. 250 Officers stormed the house only to find it was false intelligence and there is nothing out of place at all about the house or the man. Quote: The man who was shot during an anti-terrorist raid in east London has said he feared he would be killed. Abul Koyair, 20, and his injured brother Mohammed Abdul Kahar, 23, were released without charge a week after the raid on their Forest Gate home. Mr Kahar said: "I thought one by one they're going to kill us. At that time I thought I was going to die." The police earlier said they were acting on "specific intelligence" that a chemical device was in the house. According to the brothers' lawyer, the unsuccessful police search included digging up plants in the garden and drilling holes in the shower. Mr Kahar said he "had no idea" who spoke to the police, prompting the raid. 'Seemed like fire' "From my point of view the person who did this they have terrorised me and my family," he said. Speaking at a press conference, Mr Kahar said he was in great pain when he was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound, saying: "It seemed like fire. I was burning." At one point Mr Kahar broke down in tears as he described the raid, involving 250 police, which he initially thought was a robbery. He described the moment when he was shot. "We both had eye contact, he shot me straight away," he said. "I just saw an orange spark and a big bang. I flew into the wall, slipped down. There was blood coming down my chest. I knew I was shot. Raided property I feel fear when the room is dark Abdul Kahar "It's ruined my life from the day, from the time they entered my house. It's turned my life upside down." He alleged he was dragged from the house onto the street where an officer applied pressure to the wound. It was only then Mr Kahar said he realised that police were involved. He said he had been unable to sleep since the raid. "I can't go sleep, I keep on having flashbacks, I can't go sleep with the light off. I feel fear when the room is dark." Mr Koyair also gave his version of what happened during the police raid. "All of a sudden my brother went down the second sets of stairs and I heard a loud bang, and it was a big flash and then after that everything was so quiet," he said. "No-one said nothing, I thought it was like a dream at first, no-one was speaking, saying anything. "After about one, two minutes I realised that this is not a dream. I realised that my own brother got shot for no reason." Police application When asked if the Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair should resign over the raid, Mr Kahar said: "I believe I shouldn't have been shot." Mr Koyair added: "We feel that whoever is responsible should be put to justice. Sir Ian Blair, whoever gave the order for this to happen." HAVE YOUR SAY They are in a considerable amount of pain Humeya Kalam Send us your views The brothers, who had been held under the Terrorism Act 2000, were released on 10 June after police found no trace of an alleged chemical device at their home. The solicitor for the two brothers reportedly said they planned to sue the police, but Mr Kahar said: "I am not interested in money at all. I want everyone to be brought before the courts for the way I was shot." He was more interested in getting an apology from the police. "I want everyone that was involved, whoever gave the order for the raid to happen, for the shot to go off, everyone involved to apologise." The police have defended the raid and the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating. The director of campaign group Liberty, Shami Chakrabarti, said questions remained about the "appropriateness of [police] action". She did not want to prejudge any official scrutiny of the raid, but added: "We also have to concerned about the shot and why that was necessary." The point is , the police are being accused of acting heavy handed and not making sure they get the right people, what if the man had died (he was shout through the chest and the bullet exited through his shoulder so its quite possible he could have, it was a shot to kill). It's similar to the man they killed in the London Underground last year round the same time as the terrorist attacks, knocked him to the ground and shot him multiple times in the head - later it was found he was just a Brazillian tourist, totally innocent man. I did think that one very rare mistake where someone suffers greatly is worth the risk compared to a massive terrorist attack where many more suffer, but there have been three incidents like this recently and I wonder what will be next.

Author:	Reinheld [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:39 pm ]
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I didn't read the post, but if the question is if cops should have the power of superspeed or flight, I vote for flight.

Author:	Dmitry [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:56 pm ]
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Reinheld wrote: I didn't read the post, but if the question is if cops should have the power of superspeed or flight, I vote for flight. lol I don't think they should have the power to hurt innocent people. They should be almost 100% sure that what they're doing is needed, instead of breaking into people's homes and shooting them when they feel like it.

Author:	Hale [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:58 pm ]
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Fucking police would rather see me in the pen than me and Lorenzo rollin in the Benzo.

Author:	Mandos [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:06 pm ]
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Reading minds would be a useful power for them I guess.

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Author:	Reinheld [ Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:42 pm ]
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Mind reading would be useful, but that's a bit invasive. I'm just talking about giving them a jetpack, maybe some wings, or we could go crazy and have police just defy gravity like one of them X-Men.

Author:	Kotee [ Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:38 am ]
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Reinheld wrote: Mind reading would be useful, but that's a bit invasive. I'm just talking about giving them a jetpack, maybe some wings, or we could go crazy and have police just defy gravity like one of them X-Men. Hmm...like Minority Report? Cept...WITH the mind-reading too...ya.

Author:	Dinav [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:09 am ]
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They overstepped their bounds, but in reality situations like this are very very few and far between. I'd punish severly those involved in order to dissuade anyone from thinking the hazing afterwards would be lenient, however.

Author:	Yarr [ Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:52 am ]
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The police should have been more carful. Hoever we need to see it from their perspective. In this case the police were acting on what they were told. They were told they were raiding the house of known terrorist. They were raiding a house with terrorists who were making chemical devices. We all know how horrible terrorists are. They would rather die than go to jail. These police were probably just as scared as the guy getting raided. For all they knew the terrorists would just release some of the chemicals in a weak effort to not get captured. I do not lay blame on the officers. I put blame on the people who gathered the intel. Oh and if police should have one super power it should be Super Speed. I mean really rein, what the hell is flying going to help.

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