im disgusted that i see 2 posts most likely by ttk and neither used there names

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when ever i see someone under "anon" i just disclude what they say and this accouts will be delt with.

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I am just glad to see Grimblade exposed for the hypocrite he is. What they did was wrong, they know it, and they are too blinded by the fact that they hate FS or that they want the money or whatever the hell the reason was that they did it in the first place to admit it. When it comes down to it, its Grim's decision what happens here, so lets see if he can back up all his self righteous preaching.

simurgh hits a paladin in adaman for like 30-40 damage, idiot.

and posting under an anonymous name is cowardly

It's true that everyone can hate every but damn... I thought NA community was a bit stronger than this after more than a year into this game. And as much as I'd like to work something out, Grimblade has me blacklisted.

Also, as the timer, I was on voice chat and Latrommi had a BST friend that spotted Simurgh on his wide scan and they were at the cliff, which is probably why they weren't seen. And during Simurgh on Wednesday we had 30 people up in sky, not 2 - which is why we didn't have a party out there in the first place =p


Like I said before, whether the boots are ours or not (they aren't being given to us anyway) I just want apologies from those that were involved, whether it be public or private I don't care.

I know this is off topic but I had to say it

Ultimaj I like your avatar ROFL

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Hehe that was the same BST friend that told me about the pop :D Latrommi and I share the LS i was talking about. so he probably heard about it there too :P

That BST is my hero by the way, and i am gald to see him on another thread here talking about Ifrits best players

Bah, i wish i hadnt had made that dumb post from before but whatever, i guess i was even guilty for doing things in the heat of the moment. Glad to see that everyone is starting to think clearly, hopefully things can be worked out with it soon :D

Jimmy

/bow

Another point I would like to get out, is that someone said you can't base the actions of one person and say that they represent that linkshell. So if that's the case then Syron was the only one to blame. THen why is it if Lyndis was the only one who cheered Despot on that day (and Lyndis not representing the LS) then why do our other members have to suffer because of it when Lyndis was nowhere near Rolanberry that day?

ill fuckem up!

pardon me, but this is making me sick

1. the person who actually "stole" the nm, is very VERY new to the ls... none of our other members would've done it

2. i wasn't there to account for what happened, and i don't claim to know everything about the subject, and i really wish this had never happened... im not on much during the week because of school and my homework so i miss nearly everything except on weekends

3. many of you are accusing ttk of mpking people and stealing hnms when this is the FARTHEST from the truth that you can get... we have never mpked anyone, and would never steal a hnm... i have no clue how this happened and it really shouldn't have

most of you are jumping on the band wagon accusing ttk of horrible things that it shouldn't be accused of. Very few of you actually know how the ls runs, and the morals of the ls. Grimblade is one of the best people i have ever met and he hates this situation more than any one of you. Our ls has changed lately, from the way it used to be, and many new members have been added. This isn't really a bad thing, but many of them are greedy and it may be hurting our ls, if it can be hurt any more...

not that any of you care, but your assumptions of this event have basically ruined an up and coming ls

the ls vote was staggeringly in favor of keeping the boots, not because we think it is the correct thing to do, but because we know we will receive no mercy for returning them

the members of FS that were there would get 2 mill richer, and our ls would still be ruined

even if we are in the wrong, which we might be, which way seems better to you? and what if the boots hadn't dropped? would it be such a big deal?

our damage may already have been done in "stealing" the nm, but you all have done something much worse in destroying our LS

10 mill might make fs happy, but 100 mill won't fix the harm that has been done

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none of your other members would have done it, but they didnt disengage when it happened, did they? They went right along with it.

Man I miss the drama.

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You know what Vanish? You make a spectacular point. I wonder how much of this is about ethics and how much of it is about greed. I still can't condone stealing the NM in the first place but to place the blame on a single person is definately lame. I don't know many people in TTK, hell I just found out what "TTK" stood for yesterday, but I have heard some bad things about their actions at NM camps. This is not just from one person, its not from just the FS, its from several friends that camp these NMs. You can blame Syron all you want but the fact is there were others there that apparently assisted him cause I know he didn't solo the thing. As for destroying an up and coming LS, bah... I don't form opinions on people or LS's from hearsay... but a lot of other people will...

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I am completely with Vanish on this one. Please do not accuse the whole LS for something that isn't even true. I wasn't there but from what i hear and from what i hear members of FS saying is that the people from FS who were fighting the mob all disengaged. Now...if everyone disengaged and even the mages weren't casting spells on it, I would think that the HNM is now up for grabs. And TTK was there to grab it when it went yellow and got the boots. Was FS waiting for more members? No, cuz most of em were up in sky anyway. And it is this "boot" that is upsetting people. If the boots didn't drop none of this mess would have happened.
You guys are fussing and giving everyone a bad rep. The things that are being said on this forum is just disgusting. Let's just drop it....wat's done is done. Grim is a good leader and if you guys think u can do better, start your own LS. See how that goes. So please stop bashing everyone. This rivalry between all HNM LS is just degrading everyone.
I'm not blaming anyone or taking sides on what happened. Just saying what I believe. So all those that are bashing, just stop. Keep it to yourselves or between tells and don't openly bash on posts. The things that are being said on this forum are pretty nasty.

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When something good is done by some people in a ls, the whole ls wants credit.

When something bad is done by someone in a ls, the whole ls don't want nothing to do with it.

Are you guys a ls or not.

Besides, so far most people only said stealing is bad.. no one really named name of your whole ls, besides that one post that listed who was involved.. that was it. So you guys coming here doesnt' really help I don't think =p

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Macbex, no one disengaged... only Tsusuwusu had switched targets to aspir a clipper for MP then went back to switch to Simurgh. Like I said, I don't care care about the boots, you people seem to miss that point.


Screw it, a mod can delete or lock this post. All I was hoping for was some apologies, but apparently that's too much to ask.

yes yes, i am affraid thats what our world have come to. sorry old buddy but ppl just arent as caring as they used to be.

The basic problem is, I am the first person who was there to post thus far, so everything up until now has been second hand info at best. Firstly, I would like to address this MPKing and bad conduct at HNM camps. In the past, our LS has pretty much gone for Roc exclusively, where our main competition has been IW. The only time we even competed with CKD and other NA lses was at a leaked Lord of Onzozo timer, the same thing that got Tilana perma banned from my LS. Accusations of MPKing are baseless and need to be disregarded period.
As for Thursday Simurgh, all of FS was disengaged and it went yellow, I dont know if it was an accident or not, but there are ways to lose claim on a mob without wiping that are legit, IMO this was one of them. FS still had some hate and it went after the drk and the pld some, as to be expected for reasons posted above. Was it wrong to take a disengaged mob? Perhaps it was, and that has been my problem. Most of my people that day felt it was legit, only a few are unsure, which were going to send the proceeds from the item to FS anyways. Now because of the senseless flaming, most people want to keep them, seeing how it will likely not do any good, this is one of those things right or wrong never completely goes away. I offered Dalek a compromise which was flatly refused. Now I am in a position where no matter what I do will offend 1 group or another. Vaelen has never once graced my blacklist and likely never will, despite all the large and small transgressions I feel his LS has done to me and my people, it isnt and hasnt been about that, despite what I said to him. This is about interpretation of unwritten and loose etiquette that has been breached in some peoples minds by most major LSes at one point or another. IMO we got the claim legit, althought not the best way, and our TH2 got the boots and FS isnt entitled to 100% of that.

I delayed replying because telling your side of the story tends to start a flamer rant that goes on forever and has to be locked by the forum admin. In this case I think I should have sooner, rumors and rants have made a situation I dont percieve to be black and white into something it is not.

In that SS he didnt seem to feel bad about it.

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I'm still half debating whether or not to lock this thread. Grim,, since you stole the mob you can't really say who's TH got the boots can you? It's the courteous thing to do to just give them back, and apologize. Really, gil and the drama caused isn't really worth the trouble. Well, at least in my opinion. I'm going to leave this open just so you two LS can hopefully make up. Okay? Don't get too dirty please.

Claiming a mob while a ls isn't done with it is not legit.

EX.
1. 2 days ago was CKD vs KFC on Fafnir. Some glitch happened, although KFC got the first claim on fafnir, fafnir turned red on us like 5-10 seconds later (with no one spaming at all) while it was still attacking the KFC's. What did CKD do? We zoned out asap and returned the mob to them so it didn't do too much dmg.

2. Earlier today at Serket Camp. Ulgokim and Supafly's ls got claim on serket, but unfortunatly they were wiping to it so I kindly asked one of their member who I knew, "if your tank dies, we're gonna spam ok?" (Seeing that IW was also there) however they asked me not to do it until they all die so that was the case there.

From a vetern hnm camping point of view, claiming a mob before the ls that got the first claim is finished with the mob, is pretty much consider stealing no matter how anyone puts it.

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Ok imma just post about this one more time. You guys all seem to have tunnel vision when reading these posts. Grim specifically said that he was going to reimburse the drop after it dropped but the members of FS refused. Also our LS has been debating about this non-stop and nearly everyone (and i stress NEARLY) has agreed that we should return the boots. But the problem is that like vanish said, the damage has been done. Even if we give it back, you guys are still gonna bash us for honestly a MISTAKE. Even tho grim has already made attempts to amend this and make it all good, people are refusing his offers. This bashing is what is really upsetting us. I personally think that this whole subject of posts should be thrown away including any other posts that including bashing. Honestly the shit bein said in here is ugly and just down right low.
And i'm not goin to name anyone, but we have done simurgh a couple of times and have never stolen any HNM of any kind. But this one time, a LS and a party of 6 were camping against us and they got the pull and it was fair. They were dying one by one and eventually they all died, but before they did, their whm dragged it down the cliff because help was on the way. But, before that could happen he died so one of our LS members got it, but for some reason the the hate didn't stick and it turned yellow again. Now out of all fairness that simurgh was now TTK's. But due to some glitch or something, it turned yellow and low and behold CKD was there and they took it during that split second or so and they got the boot. Now from what i've been reading on this forum, that would be considered stealing. right? We didn't get an apology, but after 1 day we dropped it and weren't really upset anymore. Never did we bring this out of LS chat and post it. And seriously, this is the same situation. CKD and FS are one of the biggest NA ls's and many people read their forums.
So wat i'm trying to say is i guess, let's all stop and go back to the way we were. Mistakes happen everywhere, whether we like to accept it or not on all LS's. Btw...i love all of you CKD and FS members :D
I do not have beef with any one of you through out my year of playing. I hope to keep it that way.

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I'm a member of TTK and at the moment.. I'm a little less than proud. Honestly.. I was one of the ones who found out about this and flipped out. I told grim immediately to give the boots to FS. It's my personal belief that things like this should go to the person/party that pulled the mob first. I am also a member of FS.. I don't use FS as much as TTK but i still use it because i have friends on there. I feel horrible that this happened. Suddenly my heart is telling me that TTK should keeps the boots, because FS whined about it.. And blew it into a huge smear camaign. I'm sorry Vaelen, vut coming onto this forum and posting what you did, doesnt really make you look all that great. If the people on CKD want to get into something they were never part of, let them. But it makes me lose a lot of respect for them as players in this game. Fattino.. No one cares that you left TTK.. The only time you ever got on there was to boast about how you and CKD just killed Kirin or some other HNM. Have you ever heard of tact? It doesnt look like it.

As for everyone else.. We're really trying here. We're trying to live up to the names of Fatesealers, and CKD, and sentinels.. and even hokuten(the early days..).. Seriously.. People screw up. And I'm sorry. These things happen. It doesn't matter if we stole simurgh., Because tomorrow he'll pop again. And guaranteed Fatesealers will be there sometime to kill it. Get over it.
I understand both sides to this story. I talked to dalek. I talked to Grimblade. Maybe every one of you should too. Or take this all to the TTK website. Or the FS webside. Get it off CKD... CKD had NOTHING to do with this situation. Honestly.. This entire post makes me sick.. Bashing of any LS for one mistake is stupid.. Go back to bashinf ganamena.. As least you had a reason.

-Keysa

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If you lock this you're just locking yourself, think about that Reinheld...

locking yourself away.......

lol I love and hate you so much Ponuh.