Big posts like this need to be broken down because alot of this is already way off base.
Chanalix wrote:
Few quick points on dynamis... since somhow this post got derailed.
Yarr, FS did perhaps 2 Bastok raids, while Cheeseburgers was still public. I know this has been clarified to you before, but it was for the sake of fun and to get some members to experience dynamis who were lower level and couldn't make Cheeseburgers due to schedule or it being a very full shell at the time. As you recall, there were many Cheeseburger raids during the middle of the public area where 70+ people would show up. Since you say you don't have a problem with it, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up in your posts about why you hate FS.
Yes I know and I never really had a problem with it. It irked a little because of the timing. IIRC FS was on a good streak of AF2 wins. Still, I wasnt about to point fingers because at this point the two linkshells had a soild relationship. Hence why not many people knew FS did a few private raids. I had actually talked to Vaelen about doing Private CKD\FS only raids. He wasnt to sure about it. I suspected he was planing on doing FS only raids thats why. I mean why he didnt take me up on that offer still kind of irks me. I think I had this coversation around the time one of the FS Blackmages won AF2 Vest then ditched CKD the next raid to go with another shell who was doing Bastok where he won AF2. That was the original reason I was talking to Vaelen. Yes at one point I actually liked most of FS (never liked Vaelen, DD or taco) and was concerned about the bond. I think it may hav even been taco who was the BLM I was bringing up to Vaelen. Someone here must remember who it was. After all he got ban from the linkshell he won AF2 with.
Chanalix wrote:
Shiloh, I just wanted to clarify on your original post. FS did not start doing a regular public raid until after CB went private. In fact, Vaelen waited a few weeks after the privitization because of conversations that CKD members had assuring him and others in FS that there would be room for FS people in the raids eventually. I know this, because I did go 2 private CKDFerrows raids prior to Vaelen setting up the FS public raids. I can also say with certainty, that Myskhal and I were the only FS people there, out of about 20 people in FS who used to attend CB regularly. By your own self admission, it was only 3-4 people who you had an issue with, so about 15 people who you didn't have an issue with were left out of a dynamis home.
FS started doing Raids first you just said that above. You started doing raids for whatever reason. I dont care what the reason was, you started doing them and when I talked to Vaelen about it he said it was going to be something you guys would do a cupple times a month. Not ever week, but still on a regular basis. Again I did not make a fuss about this.
I do not know who you guys were talking too but the private raids were always going to be "very small with a select amount of non ls people" I can try and dig up my original post about it, but still. I swear people didnt even read the novel I wrote about it. Vaelen was a horrible leader. He should have come to me. The fact that he didnt come to me is where the problem started. He never came to me during any of the FS drama. Vaelen was waiting for this. He always wanted to do FS only raids and used this opportunity to start doing full time FS raids.
Cheeseburgers died because of the drama FS started and we had quite a few FS people on our raids. All the people who had 90% attendance were in the original Private Raids (CKDFerrows). The people who bitched and cried were the people who didnt have great attendance and so on. They couldnt stand the idea of only once a week dynamis. I am happy they no longer come to our Dynamis Raids.
Chanalix wrote:
I just don't understand why FS is getting bashed for starting their own shell when the majority of the linkshell was kicked out of the shell they had been going to for approximately 8 months. Xiona, your point about only inviting people who were needed is exactly why FS decided to do their own shell. As a leader, Vaelen had the choice to see 1-2 of his members be able to go on CKD private or create a new shell, where he could provide a spot for all his members. He chose to take care of his members. This is a bad thing?
You make me question my faith in all people you know that? Youre so seriously messed up here.
You mention "majority of the linkshell was kicked out of the shell" I do like the creative touch you added here of not mentioning what shell. You wouldnt want to look stupid when I point to my "CKD Doing Private Raids" thread where I said Cheeseburgers would remain operational and doing raids. No one was kicked from Cheeseburgers. Some FS members got
jelous that not everyone was invited into the CKD Private raids. I had mentioned that the raids would start very small and invite more and more people every raid. We did maybe 2-3 raids before FS started bitching like the babies they are.
Vaelen didnt have to make any choice. Vaelen already had private raids he did. You pointed this out in your first post that you did two bastok raids (and didnt let Fattino in on one of them btw). Dont forget that Vaelen declined the CKD\FS raids I suggested.
Chanalix wrote:
Hcc, I think you're misinformed about one point. FS raids were set up to be once a week from the start, and are still going once a week, every Friday. Not gonna argue about success because that's subjective, but no one from FS "jumped ship" to IceFarmers from FS raids, it's just a second raid a week for people who want to do two raids instead of one. As Arn said, some people choose to go to Quetzal or other public raids on Tuesdays and a few people go to other raids, including CKD because Fridays don't work out for them at all.
I cant validate any of this because I had nothing to do with FS and how and when they setup their raids. All I know is that from what I heard (and saw) FS was stinking it up hardcore in Dynamis while CKD was finishing Windurst with 25 people. Again the sucess of FS is subjective and from my view point they sucked harder than Severus on a friday night. (sorry sev but I cant let jokes like that pass
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Chanalix wrote:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Insert the proper names for all the FS people who now go to our raids. The only difference was that FS weren't given the choice to leave CB, they were kicked out (along with everyone else). I'm glad Yarr has already agreed to the point. Thanks for making it for me
Actually you missed the point totally. We (Kayne, Ilma, Dionil, Peejo, Hccmike and myself) did dynamis with Aphex for about 2-3 months. I talked to aphex and told him the problem I was having. So many NA players were asking me to get them into his linkshell. However he already had tons and tons of people going. Aphex is an incredibly nice and kind person, but he couldnt invite them all. This is when I told him I was going to start doing NA raids. I continued to do Raids with aphex for a good month or two after starting the prepwork for Cheeseburgers. I created our own unique style for dynamis and it worked out well.
Again I am going to make the same point here even though I am not sure you know how to read.
No one was ever kicked out or removed from Cheeseburgers because of the new private CKDFerrows shell. So stop trying to do what everyone in your linkshell did and cry about events that didnt even happen.
Chanalix wrote:
On the original topic. See Sal's posts for my thoughts on the situation. See Kioto's disgust for why I'm retired from HNM bullshit. The hate in this thread is out of control.
Oh please, this thread is because of the actions of FS. I think the only person who isnt in CKD who actually made a very well thought out and smart post was Krysten. Although I will admit I have no idea what shell she is in.
CKD has had major issues in the past. We always manage and I have never turned my back on my linkshell. God knows there have been times I wanted too, but I love my linkshell to much to ditch them like you did. Unlike you, I will not step down as linkshell leader in a time when they need a leader more than ever.
My opinion of you has very much changed Chanalix.
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