Shiloh, I have zero issue with you. Much love as always. I hate to even bring your name up in threads because it's all seen as bashing, and I know we are on the same page with this. I just wanted to correct what had room for interpretation in your original post.
"Some were from FS yes, there were only 3-4 that were really bad about it, then they formed their own Dynamis LS, I think, to make us mad and attempt to kill most of our attendence because I read on their boards somewhere that they were the "backbone of our dynamis runs."
I know you prefaced that this was your opinion on why you thought the FS dynamis was formed and just wanted to clear it up that FS dynamis weren't formed to piss anyone off, they were formed after CB was closed down in favor of CKDFerrows and most FS members had no dynamis to go to.
Yarr, I don't know what went on between you and Vaelen. All I know is that he did say is thee was the possibility of doing a joint CKD/FS dynamis, that he had talked to you, and that you never got back to him. Obviously one side is wrong, and both of your are saying the same things, that you're upset the other leader never bothered to work something out. Only you and Vaelen will ever know what happened there.
As to who told me there would be room in CKDFerrows for the FS people that weren't issues, it was Mikey. You can ask him youself, or any of the many people on voice chat that heard him say so. Mikey is actually the reason that no one came to you, because he said it was a senstivite subject, that he was handling it, and he would work things out. Mikey asked Ariseth to make a list of people he thought would deserve to be in the private shell. Ariseth told him it should be everyone in FS that was a regular on the CB raids, and nothing every happened from there. I'm in no way bashing Mikey for this. I know he was put in a bad situation because of the whole deal and he tried to do the best he could. I appreciate everything he did to smooth things out. Just letting you know that it wasn't that people in FS said "screw it!" and didn't try to work things out, the linkshell and Vaelen were told that the situation was being talked about and dealt with. To this day, it's my understanding that you and Mikey talked about the concerns from the people in FS (no, it wasn't loot) and that you were aware and involved in the decision to only let Myskhal and I into CKDFerrows. If that's not the case, well, this has been an unfortunate 7 month miscommunication.
I have no problem looking stupid, lol (see all the quotes of mine in people's sigs on FS boards of me saying stuff that looks incredibly horrible out of context). If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it. You're taking my failing to type the shell name in one sentence as me trying to hide looking stupid? I just assumed everyone would know, because the story is so public and over talked. Let me spell it out then to clarify I'm not trying to hide anything or make myself look good by omitting facts.
0. FS does 2 Bastok raids for fun
1. Yarr announces CKD will start doing private raids and that for the most part it will only be CKD with a very select number of people invited
2. People are concerned, not just people in FS, but others who have called CB their dynamis home, that they will not be admitted to CKDFerrows and will have to find a new dynamis shell.
3. Mikey hangs out on FS voice chat, and as a result people in FS talk to him, and ask him what the intentions of CKD are as to how many people will be invited to CKDFerrows and who it will be
4. CKD Ferrows does a few raids with only Suichi and Charonne as a non CKD members (to my knowledge, there may have been one or two other people there, like Mintsy)
5. Lots of talk goes back and forth, but Mikey assures us that people who have been loyal to CB will eventually have a spot in CKDFerrows
6. A month passes, and Myskhal and I are the only people in FS who have been invited to CKDFerrows. The rest of the group of about 20 people in FS who used to go to CB have not been able to do dynamis with either CKD, because there have been no CB raids and they are not invited to CKDFerrows
7. Vaelen decides to take the FS shell OMGWTFLOLBBQCHICKEN and do weekly raids with it
8. Over the next months CKDFerrows starts inviting more people, but not one additional person from FS is invited (unless you count ShadowStalker, who was a member of CKD when CKDFerrows was originated and is now a member of FS)
9. To my knowledge the first CB raid to be held after the creation of CKDFerrows was the first one on the most recent public city tour (about 6 months after CKD Ferrows was created)
Yes, given that timeline, I stick to my statement. The majority of the people in FS (approximately 18/20ish) who used to do CB were "kicked out". No, they didn't have their CB pearls broken, but CB stopped doing raids, and they were not invited to the new shell that did raids at the times that CB would have gone. You say he didn't have to make a choice. Nope, he could have done nothing. However, at the time, the situation Vaelen was presented with was to provide regular raids for the 18 people who didn't have the opportunity to go with CKDFerrows, or to do nothing and let them find another shell. He gave it some time, to see how it was going to work out, then chose to provide regular raids (I define regular as weekly here, since you earlier defined FS doing Bastok twice in 3 months as regular). In any case, what's done is done. It just galls me to see people pegging FS as the bad guys in this situation for starting a shell to deal with the situation that CKD originated. If we hadn't started a shell, most people in FS would have had to find a new dynamis shell or wait the approximately 6 months until CB did the latest city tour to do more CB raids. I still don't get how this was wrong.
Yarr, I respect your position on cheating and I'd say that 99% of the people here agree with it and support it. If you want to use an accusation of one person cheating as the platform for showing off how blemish free of accusations you believe CKD to be, that is your perogative. However, I cannot respect your attitude in tearing people down on this situation and other situations. While I'm posting in this thread it's mostly because I'm in a similar position to Shiloh, and not restrained as much from saying what I think, it has little to do with the thread in particular, and more to do with the habitual attitude of people end game towards their fellow players. There isn't a single HNM camp I've been to without hate from someone, even when cheating and MPK'ing are not on the table.
You in particular revel in slinging personal insults to add flavor to your points and your posts. Most of your posts responding to someone who doesn't agree with you involve tearing the person down who you are responding to. You call me "seriously messed up" for typing an abbreviated version of the events, which I typed in good faith, not intending to obscure the facts. You refer Purity to the Special Olympics for stating that Zilart is on vacation, when in fact he is both banned and on vacation, so her statement about him being on vacation is true. You call other LS's babies, losers, and worse on a regular basis. Yes, in fairness, you occasionally acknowledge others doing a good job or congratulate them, but the ratio of you choosing to say something positive or simply say nothing is far outweighed by the inflamatory and belitting statements you make about people. I'm sure you will say that such statements are justified, but I cannot agree with your manner in presenting them. You don't need to tear the rest of the server down to make yourself and your linkshell look good. Pulling up statements like FS not having killed Nidhogg from 100% in a thread about whether or not someone was cheating just shows your attitude about others. What does one have to do with the other? I start a discussion about why FS initiated a dynamis shell, because people are painting us in negative light for starting it, and you feel like you have to throw in a pot shot about how your opinion is that our raids suck and how much better CKD is. Again, how is one related to the other?
And before you pull out the jealousy card, don't. You don't know me aside from the few posts I've made on your boards, but if you did, you would know I don't use others accomplishments as a measuring stick and I'm not threatened by another group doing something I haven't, or may never do. I'm not playing this game so I can say "FS is the best linkshell on the server and you all suck" or playing it to "beat" CKD. I'm here to spend time with my friends, to help them out where possible, to enjoy things that are new and exciting to the people that are doing them, and eventually to kick the addiction and hold on to the few people who I've gotten to know well enough to call true friends and not virtual ones.
You don't respect my decision to step down from FS leadership (which btw was a week prior to the whole KB issue) which is fine. However, as I told FS, and will continue to tell anyone who asks, it's a decision that was the best for me IRL. This is a game not a , and I've got a new job, and a lot of new things going on that don't allow me to put in the time and energy that a busy linkshell needs as a leader. FS is better served having someone with that time and energy, and not having me do a half ass job in RL and in game. I didn't abandon the linkshell either, I made sure I had someone in place with the time and energy to do what was best for FS prior to stepping down.
Yarr, we have philosophical differences on the way that people should be treated which will always come out in a discussion between us which is the reason I normally don't post on these boards. These are your home and far be it for me to come to your home and tell you that your way of handling things is wrong. However, when I do see facts that are untrue, I occasionally post to clarify them and that was the point of my first post in this thread. You made it personal though which is why I feel compelled to respond to your response to me.
I'll continue to hold the same opinion of you as I did. You do great work for your linkshell, but everyone else on the server is crap to you. I respect you immensely for the first, and will always respectfully disagree with you on the second. Your opinion of me isn't going to change that. I'm sure that this post will get me lots of hate from CKD and ensure their bad opinion of me, which I would fully expect since you do take care of you and yours. However, sometimes you've just had enough and I've come to that point. It's a damn game, it's not worth name calling, hating, or otherwise trying to ruin the pleasure and fun that we are supposed to get in spending our valuable spare time.
Oh, and people who always have to be right, no matter the circumstances just bug me
~Joining Purity in the FS Special Olympics, the new cool place to be for people who Yarr wants to pick apart
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