The problem with PLD is twofold:

1. I can deal with the lack of damage that we do, but we should have some sort of % damage reduction Job Trait. PLD's get hit way too hard for tanking at endgame, you shouldn't have to make a WHM cure bomb the tank to survive a fight. i.e. - Faust, Fafhogg. And the stuff where we can, we have to run our asses around in a circle while ppl pick away at the mob hoping to get missed by a few hits. Its really saddening to me to see that a BRD could theoretically take less damage than a PLD with the right Equip. Also, we get raped by teir III and IV magic, it's just not fair.

2. Our lack of versatility. I've been a PLD since unlocking it shortly after NA release, it was not until recently that I have subbed WHM for soloing that I've ever even tried a different subjob. I mean, you ppl argueing that DRG is tied to it's subjob to define it, PLD is even MORE tied to the WAR subjob as we are nothing without it in an xp party / hnm camp. We have no choice when it comes to subjob and even less choice when it comes to pt selection.

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Pld are broken in end game xp party, but job itself is fine for 3/4 of the game and end game HNM.


Personally, I don't think any job is broken at the moment, but if I had to pick one, I would probably say DRK, but again, their spell make them pretty good at soloing.

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DRG is going to get nerfed later lol. 20 mins might be too short... Seriously WS or no WS DRG outdamages most if not all jobs with the wyvern out. This isn't even accounting for the overpowered healing breath crap lol. This should be a cool update though. I see lots of people xp grinding drg if this works out right. Wonder how great the new 2hr will be though.

PLD isn't gimped at all. We use PLD to tank plenty of shit and they do fine. You don't have to sub WAR.. look at what some other LSs have done with PLD/NIN.. its really weird but supposedly they can hold hate. DRK gets TP too slowly and is one of the lowest DoT jobs, but has the biggest spike dmg due to the biggest WSs in the game with SATA (Spiral Hell 300 TP). This game won't be perfectly balanced but this DRG fix should help one job at least. Up to SE to see fit to adjust the others now.

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#1. that was be so awesome to see, we do definately need more resist type things. but that's the nice thing about being a Taru I guess, I can heal bomb myself also but I do find it unruly that we've had nothing but nerfs for a very long time. shield nerfing(some people like it cause we can actually level our shield now, but now we can't nullify damage, one of the few things we've had going for us) and the fact we can't sub anything but WAR

#2. like I just said, we can't sub ANYTHING but WAR if we need to tank. for soloing I use RDM sub, and it actually helps. I can phalanx stoneskin and regen myself and against EP mobs I last hella long, and with my capped staff(ok, so I'm two points away from cap) I can do decent damage for spirit taker when I need it.

it's so horribly cruel that I've become discouraged from changing job to PLD for anything except dynamis and sky lately(I've been leveling NIN, it's nice to solo EM things with ease). no, I'm not betraying my PLD job, it's the only job I feel matches me, even if I chose to be Taru. I just got sick of the discimination, not just from my race but of my job also. I have to seek forever and a day to get a party for PLD, so I took up a job that is actually invited to parties.

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we never said PLD was gimped, only that we're abused. and that's exactly my point, we are expected to tank anything and everything, AND WE CAN!!! but when we die, how are we supposed to get our exp back if nobody will invite us to a party?

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I've lost 30k exp in the last 3 weeks getting mostly RIII, and I seeked pt all weekend to try and get some buffer to no avail. It sucks. 20 hours of seeking, no invites, no replies to my /tells when I tried to form pts. Or I got the {Paladin} {no, thanks} reply.

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I know exactly how you feel, trust me, I do {/comfort}. last month I had my flag up for 24 hours EXACTLY(I timed it) and had not a single invite at all, I was so broken after that day. the last three parties I've had were invites from friends. three weeks ago I exp'd with friends, a week after that, and then two days ago saturday.

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Boowoo, at least pld gets to enjoy the endgame scene... unlike drgs hahaha.

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Lol that is very true.

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I would hardly consider PLD all that "Broke" when it comes to tanking. A lot of linkshells pussy out and just kite things.

Paladins can tank quite a bit, if you have the right setup. CKD has tanked the BC99 toe to toe. That in it self is much harder than tanking King Behemoth. Most people in game will tell you its impossible to tank King Behemoth with out kiting. We found it actually a little easier than most people let on.

Back when Sky was huge and tanking Byakko was a nightmare (hes still rather intimidating to take on)CKD was up there tanking him with a PLD when everyone else online said that would be a slaughter. It takes some skill and everyone has to be paying attention but its actually not that hard to tank Byakko with a single PLD. We let shiloh do this once because Shiloh is an old school PLD who HATED kiting anything.

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Yeah I've got Byakko, Suzaku, and Seiryu all on my straight up tanking resume, DD's like it because a PLD can hold hate a little tighter than Ninja can. I can't stand kiting mobs, it just makes me wanna puke.

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Kaylia is right. PLD is only broken for endgame exp/meripo parties. Most HNMs can be tanked by PLD even tho WAR/NIN is kicking us to the side now. PLD/NIN is great for HNMs/Wyrms if you have a + emnity gear set and Double March + Haste.

I don't see how SE could fix PLD for endgame exp unless they gave us a damage reduction that rivalled NINs shadows or some other unreasonable change. Oh well, how did this change into a PLD /cry thread? Back to Dragoon!

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Yeah sorry lol, it got a little off topic.

GO DRAGOON!!! I hope the jump enhancement with 2hr is similar to chainspell. No delay between jumps ftw.

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Voke should have been a PLD JA.

Ive always thought that. The problem is that WAR was the original Basic Job tank so they had to give it to them. PLD should have that or something just like it.

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Actually, they should have a level 40+ PLD ability called "Entice" or something that's stronger than voke, but then you lose the voke ability from /war when you get it.

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Haha SE said the word Dragoon but yeah anyway fixes seem nice, if we could just have a good end game WS. My hope is the fixes will make drgs somewhat wanted for hnms. Also i solo alot on drg and the change of the two hour is freaking sweet.

this game really is well balanced, a lot more than people give it credit for. especially now that they are fixing this with dragoon.

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RIP Shiloh - I'll never forget ya

Who the fuck called this one? Thats right, I did....Boo-Ya!

(From the first thread about this update):

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If only you all had a large Proton-Enhanced Nuclear Induction Spectroscopy machine like I do.

3 xp scroll soloable/duoable.
a 2.5k ENM solo
Npc
Random ENM

:P

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the enhanced jumps will give your wyvern regen

(shrug) Oh well, if DRK is broken, at least I can go around Stunning and Draining stuff. Blood Finger Gauntlets ftw!

I refuse to say there is anything wrong with DRK after seeing Reinheld play. There was a point when we did sky that I almost refused to do any Sky HNMs with out a DRK\THF.

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Eh, jump is a normal melee attack with a long recover time so really if you spam it is not much difference then if you were hitting it normally anyway. The dmg increase in "jump" is minimal without double attack kicking in, and "high jump" has a lower dmg percentage. Spamming super jump....well i guess there would be some sort of exploit to it but wouldn't be wildly useful. Really warcry + berserk + haste would be more dmg overall than spamming jumps.
Jump is more or less a TP building and hate shedding tool than DD. The damage from it is just bonus, but damage isn't why a dragoon jumps.

Whatever it is, I'm guessing it will be some 4rth jump that does...something. Maybe a *lot* of damage, or maybe something to do with hate erasing to go along with the theme of jumps, or maybe some sort of lancet-like effect.
I'm guessing it will be a lot liek astral flow, where in your wyvenr and you share some sort of stat bonus between one another until you use the jump. Maybe, maybe not. I'd like uber dmg to be honest. Haha. Would be really nice if it was something super effective against dragons, as SE...Its really really really lame that dragoons can't fight dragons. L-a-m-e.


It is true though that a well equipped drg + wyvern can out DD most job classes. Does this mean I can play my main job for once? lol. probably not. haha.


PS: I hate you Rune.

rng is the new drg

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