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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:24 pm 
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Xiona wrote:
cure iv can be used on other PT members as well as themself to keep hate

For the love of GOD why can't more, in fact any of the PLDs I party with do this?

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I don't even have Cure IV macroed, lol.

In fact my PLD has a grand total of 3 macros.

Alt+1: Provoke
Alt+2: Cure 3 (Self)
Alt+3: Flash

All other Job Abilities are done from the Ctrl+J shortcut menu, I can watch the timers tick down and highlight as they become available if I need to. Magic menu is left targetted almost permanently on Cure IV, so if I wanna do that, I hit Ctrl+M, then Enter. Hit it twice if I wanna do it to myself.

I know it seems horribly inefficient but it's like the way I've always done it all the way from like level 40 (which is almost 2 years ago now) or something, so I'm too used to it to switch. I've tried making even more macros in the past but I just ended up never using them.

My SMN on the other hand has more macros than you can shake a stick at.


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make 5 more macros lol
but do it the lazy way


/ma "Cure IV" then cut and paste type <p1>, move to next macro and paste again and type <p2>

basically you want (not in the same macro lol)
/ma "Cure IV" <p1>
/ma "Cure IV" <p2>
/ma "Cure IV" <p3>
/ma "Cure IV" <p4>
/ma "Cure IV" <p5>

<p0-5> represents a party member going from top to bottom down the list, so instead of making a macro that has to have the name changed you make a universal macro. 0= you, 1= the name under yours, etc etc

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or you can save time and macro with <stpc> then hit F1 (you) or F2-6 (for pt members).

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sorry, PLD isnt broken haha. not our fault most PLD have no idea the enmity that goes behind their actions. maybe if they didnt forget that cure iv can be used on other PT members as well as themself to keep hate and that not getting hit makes so you lose less hate than gettng smacked. PLD/NIN is a really good tank but it requires more skill than spamming a few macros. hence why most ppl go "you cant hold hate with a PLD/NIN" flash, pld ja's, your already enmity heavy gear and the gem.. cure iv makes you teir with wars. you just need 1 brd and 1 rdm, (march 2, ballad 2, refresh, elegy).

i still think drg's wyvern should give them tp per hit to make up for the lack of ws dmg. who cares if you can do 5 impulse drives per fight, especially if they only do 200-300 dmg haha


Wow, smartest thing I've read in the whole thread lol, and not even from PLD main job.

Such a shame people don't realize the potential of PLD when it can be used as DD, Healer, tank... and often able to fulfill 2 roles at the same time. I've gone to KRT in full DD gear and swinging 200dmg hits on the bones with ~600dmg Retributions(100tp). If MNK ganks hate with asuran then flash, by the time it wears the fight is nearly over anyway and most damage is negated completely. Not to mention I can go from empty MP to full using spirit taker(about 400 with some decent MP gear) and drop cure IVs on the other DDs if I wanted, all while just slamming away with kinkobo. And I've seen screens of PLD/THF doing over 1k on wyrms with GS so it's not completely out of the question either. :p

Cure IV is such a beautiful hate generator because the hate garnered from it is different from JAs, it "sticks" and doesn't decay quickly. That's why PLD/NIN works so well for a lot of stuff, but like everything you do with PLD tank, it requires the proper support and people understanding what the support is for. I want to stab people when I hear "Paladins can't tank this or that," it's so frustrating.


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Chamelius wrote:
or you can save time and macro with <stpc> then hit F1 (you) or F2-6 (for pt members).


ya i couldnt remember if you could do f1-f6 enguaged lol even if <stpc>'d
so i just put that setup because as ket said he has 3 macros for PLD so he has room for it haha

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Ketrebu wrote:
I don't even have Cure IV macroed, lol.

In fact my PLD has a grand total of 3 macros.

Alt+1: Provoke
Alt+2: Cure 3 (Self)
Alt+3: Flash

All other Job Abilities are done from the Ctrl+J shortcut menu, I can watch the timers tick down and highlight as they become available if I need to. Magic menu is left targetted almost permanently on Cure IV, so if I wanna do that, I hit Ctrl+M, then Enter. Hit it twice if I wanna do it to myself.


nice, very nice. I've always had my macros at:
A1 - Voke
A2 - whatever I feel like having there, I hit it maybe once a year
A3 - empty, I have a bad habit of hitting it ten times a second
A4 - Flash and /recast on Flash Voke Warcry Rampart
A5 - Warcry
A6 - Rampart

C1 - CureIII self


my magic cursor sits on CureIV also, so I just go Alt+M and Enter and then whatever F key I need to hit. my other JA's are controlled through Alt+J for job menu, usually sits on Defender.

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On the very rare occasion that play PLD, I try to keep my macros minimal. But my BRD habbits kick in and I usually find it easier just to macro every single ability. When it comes to curing others in battle, I try to, but I find it hard to watch everyones health and juggle watching timers and all. Also even if I do watch people's hp, I more often then not hit the wrong key and cure the wrong person. Anyway, thats why I stick to BRD most of the time.

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Xiona wrote:
Chamelius wrote:
or you can save time and macro with <stpc> then hit F1 (you) or F2-6 (for pt members).


ya i couldnt remember if you could do f1-f6 enguaged lol even if <stpc>'d
so i just put that setup because as ket said he has 3 macros for PLD so he has room for it haha


I use <stpc> regardless.... It saves me much the space for macros for my rdm.

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<stpc> isnt bad, but in a highly crowded area such as fafnir camp with every noob LS crowding you.... <p1-5> can be the difference of immediate cure iv or scrolling thru a list of everyone and their mother and sometimes accidently moving going over the intended target.

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F1-F6 works with <stpc> you know.

At Fafnir, generally damage (and thus losing of hate) occurs in large spikes, from Magic Bursts. When there's a Magic Burst coming up I usually type /ma "Cure IV" into my log window ready. Then as soon as I see who takes hate from the MB I type their name in and hit enter.

Usually if I have time before the MB goes off I'll take a guess at who's going to take hate and write Volrath/Kurokaze/Ilmaterrori/Hccmike etc in ready to hit enter, lol. I'm usually right at who gets it too.


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Ketrebu wrote:
F1-F6 works with <stpc> you know.

At Fafnir, generally damage (and thus losing of hate) occurs in large spikes, from Magic Bursts. When there's a Magic Burst coming up I usually type /ma "Cure IV" into my log window ready. Then as soon as I see who takes hate from the MB I type their name in and hit enter.

Usually if I have time before the MB goes off I'll take a guess at who's going to take hate and write Volrath/Kurokaze/Ilmaterrori/Hccmike etc in ready to hit enter, lol. I'm usually right at who gets it too.



I know I've seen ketrebu doing this a few times.

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as you can tell i dont cure much enguaged so i keep forgetting about the f1-f6 after <stpc> haha

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Most people don't realise you can also just use <a11-16> and <a21-26> too. If you like to type out your cures (useful if you're curing a lot of people cross alliances) then it's handy if you can remember which number represents which alliance member. Just have to spot their HP going down then.

Where with <a#@> - # is the party number, and @ is the member number inside that PT.

/ma "Something" <a14>, /ta <a23>, etc all works.


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I tab through names unless we are kiting any everyone is moving around. The trick is standing in the right place so that the first TAB and ALT+TAB hit the critical people. Pressing tab twice to hit ilma is a hell of a lot easier than doing /ma "Cure IV" Ilmaterrori

I had no idea about that alliance thing, but still, making macros like that before every fight means Im doing even more prep work for the battle lol.

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That's how I do targetting in Dynamis pretty much.

Usually i'll either swivel the camera around so my next tab will target whatever I want (target yourself first for this to work best) or if there's way too much going on, then usually I'll run right up to whatever it is I want and hit F8 (Target nearest mob, same as /stnpc.)


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I remember doing that in raid when I need to keep or save someone ass when it gets bad so I will cure 4 them.

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my guess for drg 2hour, is that it'll be like super jump, cept you'll be able to choose to erase someone else's hate as well. Could come in handy.


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another targeting trick for alliance curing is to set Q and E in your keyboard config to menu navigation (or something like that forgot exact wording) and it lets you hit those keys to change through your alliance on the alliance menu.

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Its hard to say.
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The dragoon will be imbued with the strength of his or her wyvern for a fixed length of time, increasing the dragoon's power and adding special effects to "Jump" abilities


I guess the wyvern and drg will combine some how. Either in form of stats, but it would be interesting if it did so visually. I want to morph into vtra and smack people around. haha.

Wyvern's aren't that wildly strong though, at leat not on anything IT or above, so whatever the stat bonus is will be interesting.

The only "effect" that the job ability jump has is hate shedding. Whne they say "Added effects" makes me wonder if its something beyond hate shedding or if it will be a different twist on it altogether. I'd personally like to see a 2hour that does a lot of damage.
But what i find interesting is that they "effects" in plural as well as "'jump' abilities" in plural. So its quite possible that all three jumps have a different effect when the drg is in his 2 hour.


My question is, what happens if a drg 2 hours and wyvern is not available?

And I hope that the drg 2 hour lasts long enough to be able to use all 3 jumps as each as a crazy long timer. Super is like 5 minuts i think.


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Kioko wrote:
My question is, what happens if a drg 2 hours and wyvern is not available?


I would imagine same thing that happens if you try to use Astral Flow when you don't have an Avatar summoned. It gives you an error and nothing happens. Same probably applies to a Beastmaster using Familiar when they don't have a Pet.


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Ketrebu wrote:
I don't even have Cure IV macroed, lol.

In fact my PLD has a grand total of 3 macros.

Alt+1: Provoke
Alt+2: Cure 3 (Self)
Alt+3: Flash

All other Job Abilities are done from the Ctrl+J shortcut menu, I can watch the timers tick down and highlight as they become available if I need to. Magic menu is left targetted almost permanently on Cure IV, so if I wanna do that, I hit Ctrl+M, then Enter. Hit it twice if I wanna do it to myself.

I know it seems horribly inefficient but it's like the way I've always done it all the way from like level 40 (which is almost 2 years ago now) or something, so I'm too used to it to switch. I've tried making even more macros in the past but I just ended up never using them.

My SMN on the other hand has more macros than you can shake a stick at.



this is my macro setup for PLD
ctrl-2 voke
ctrl-4 flash
thats it

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Paladins need more macros lol

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Ctrl+1 /recast "Utsusemi: Ichi"
Ctrl+2 /recast "Utsusemi: Ni"
Ctrl+3 /ma "Utsusemi: Ni" <me>
Ctrl+4 /ma "Utsusemi: Ichi" <me>
Ctrl+5 /ja "Provoke" <t>
Ctrl+0 /p <tp>

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I like soloing on dragoon even though I only got it to 17 by myself. I like that I can fight things that most people can't by themselves and make progress without having to rest a long time. I think I would hav gone farther if my wyvern wouldn't have died so much from AoE attacks and I'd have to wait like 1:45:26 or whatever for it back=/

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Dmitry wrote:
Paladins need more macros lol

Ninja~

Ctrl+1 /recast "Utsusemi: Ichi"
Ctrl+2 /recast "Utsusemi: Ni"
Ctrl+3 /ma "Utsusemi: Ni" <me>
Ctrl+4 /ma "Utsusemi: Ichi" <me>


Question: /rescast what does it do cuzz I never seen command before.

so pls tell me and also type in what 1 macro like Ctrl+2? list what commands that you put in macro?

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