; ;....I just want my "worthless" E sword. I hate everybody (I dont know) on this game.

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stop raising behemoth hide price GOD DAMMIT!

everything else i dont care about because i dont need to buy anything, lol. i agree these prices are just getting rediculous though.

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Don't get me wrong, I hate gilsellers and buyers...but I was wondering.

All these inflated prices are due to the classic definition of inflation: the devaluation of a currency due to a whole crapload of it being "minted", or in this case, put into the economy from drops or NPCs or whatever.

The gilsellers camp ITEMS. They aren't, nor ever have, put actual currency into the game. They sell these items to people who have gil, and then stockpile it until someone wants to spend RL money to get some.

My question is, why is this any different than if a normal player were able to camp these items? The gil would be put into the economy IMMEDIATELY, since the player is actively using his gil, instead of being stockpiled for a later date, but in the end, the same amount of gil is still being infused into the economy regardless of who camps the items. The only difference is that the gilsellers pushed all this gil they had onto the server at ONCE (Xmas sale), as opposed to slowly and steadily, but the end result is still the same, isn't it?

I'm not an economics expert, but it just seems to me that this would have happened regardless.

I think mainly because it gives buying power to people that otherwise wouldnt have it.

Wheras a reasonable player would rather wait a few days for price to drop than just keep bidding more to get an item, a gilbuyer doesnt really care because they can always get daddy to buy them more.

And with things like O.kote, serket ring, whatever, a lot of the gil is going back to the rmt again, because they're the ones selling the items.

I think they were hording the Tiphia sting, Heca sold 3 in one day, increasing the price each time by a fair chunk.

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well gil in this game is created by quests and mobs that drop gil, so there is an infinite amount of gil floating around, just people think that because a huge amount of gil is lying in peoples pockets they have to up the prices and that the sellers will make boocu bucks.

really the inflation has effected almost every item, which sucks because for thoughs of us who play this game honestly and farm and work for the money get screwed over cause we can't make mass amounts of gil as fast as the buyers are.

but eventually all the gilbuyers will have every item they want and people won't be able to sell there stuff and lower the prices. but this won't happen ever

infated prices in ffxi are not classic infation.

classic inflation the prices of goods and services rise proportionately.

in ffxi the price of only certain goods have risen, the % increase of rare items its exponential while beehive chips, silk, and things like teleports have stayed generally the same with a small increase.

making the rich richer and poor poorer. a year or so ago you could easily farm tree cutting for a month to afford a large ticket item, now it will take you 6 times as long doing the same things. i mean how much is a stack of cuttings, 70-100k? say it takes you with your /thf about 2 hours to get a stack. thats 35-50k an hour, divide that into current price of okote.

the reason these prices have spiral'd out of control is very simple. the normal individual will NOT buy shit if its boosted high. because they realize the time spent farming to get their money. but an individual who swipes a credit card has no concept of investment, and will just buy more gil to compensate. IGE employees have a near monopoly on all the items these people buy in one way or form. like gil sellers farm vclaws, and gil buyers buy scorp harness's. gil sellers continually raise the price on their items to squeeze more and more money out of the the buyers. crafters buy the items at the monopolized price and make a small 500k profit sometimes, or the gil sellers craft it themself.

so long as gil buyers have fat pockets, the legit players will have to suffer the consequences of their actions. ffxi system is a dynamic system, it will eventually even out. look at the people who are buying these high ticket items like verm cloak for 16mil, then make a list and dont pt with them. shit ask yourself this, when gil sellers first started (we all remember sotart and lexy), did you party with them? if so you are one of the reasons why this is gotten out of control. get your heads out of your ass and stop helping these guys xp, gil buyers and gil sellers. if you stop partying and helping people who buy gil they will quit and thats less money for IGE. IGE is a buisiness and once the cost it takes to run the company comes closer to the amount of money they make they will cut their losses.

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I'm sad I can't afford Maneater anymore. I should have bought it at 500k now its 4M. Can't really cry because I compensated for it awhile back.

Mikey's new sig is hilarious.

New, minted gil, comes from starting players, Quests, Mobs, Missions, Vendor NPCs and one other thing: exploits. In the beginning of Chains of Promathia, and another time in the Rise of Zilart expansion, a way to create gil was found by some players. Buy an item from an NPC, then sell it back to the NPC at a higher price. This was overlooked by SE for some time. I know alot of people made money this way.

It still doesn't add up to me though.

Where is all this gil coming from? Players have hundreds of millions of gil that would've been minted in to the economy, however, at the same time, Limbus, Dynamis, and NPCs like the femina subligar NPC take millions and millions out of the economy every day.

Where the hell are people finding 10-15 million gil to blow on this shit? If IGE has that kind of gil then how did they milk so much from players?

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Jesus, Purple belts were bazaaring for 2ook in Batallia. This one dude buying them all and monopolizing the market. Too bad I finished this quest and sold my belt like 1 year ago. Paid over 100% for it but saved 100k hoho

BTW Cad, i'm pretty sure the majority of the gil came from fish botting last year. The duping exploit didn't help much either after they patched fish botting.

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well if good armors and weapon is getting high in price dont forget that food will get higher as well.

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While I would normally agree with this.. I bit the bullet and paid 4.5M for an Amemet+1. reasoning is simple: I'd hate to have to buy it a few weeks later for +6M. I did the same with okote/brown belt and other typical monk gear.. I'm really glad I did because theres no way in hell i could afford it all now with the new prices.

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Ya that's the same reason I buy things like 10-20lvls in advance. I normally look at items and try to buy them before the price hike. Hell, if I knew Haub was goin to be like 9m, I wouldn't have sold mine for like 2m couple weeks ago haha.

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I don't think it's been mentioned yet but a lot of the excess inflated currency isn't newly created, it's already been in the economy for a long time. Eiji and Micmic and whatever other JPs who have been upgrading relic have more than likely had a max-gil character for a very long time, if not more than one. Now with the incredible price of currency, these players upgrading pumps hundreds of MILLIONS or BILLIONS(yes billions) into the economy and distributes it to the average player. Gilbuyers may account for a few dozen million gil here and there, but the powerhouse JP blowing their fat load of cash that would have otherwise never made it into the system are pushing inflation through the roof as well.

It does not stop here.

helo thar limbus ancient beastcoins

Again, these financially unstoppable players are pumping more and more of their gilstock into the economy for stuff like brutal earrings, AF+1 and the other limbus rewards. And why not? about a year ago you could buy just about every single top end item in the game with roughly 100mil(at a time when JPs are sitting on several hundred million already). Suddenly everyone is stunned by prices, but these are the people who make multiple million gil by selling their coins from limbus runs to others who are at a point where money is no object. SE has simply made more avenues for the elite players to distribute their extra gil into the economy and now we're seeing the results of it.

Remember, gilbuyers probably buy a few mill here and there.... but how much gil do you think the players who have L5 Relic or near-full AF1+1 have injected into the economy simply because they have nothing else to spend it on?

Just one side of the coin, I'm sure there's other contributing factors too, but these price surges seemed to start not too long after limbus, and with 400k coins I dont think it's hard to see why~

The solution? More NPC-able ways to drain gil from the economy. Setting vclaws d. ingots and d cloths and other rare but valuable crafting items from an NPC would be a good start IMO. Several million gil per purchase flushed out of the economy, as well as setting a reasonable price limit for these items for the average player would be beneficial to the game overall. I hated the idea of imposing price caps through means like this... but at this point I think drastic measures need to be taken lol. This is only one idea nd I'm sure there's tons of other ways, maybe making currency buyable fron NPC? heh

worst thing is that i saw some items being bought by friends
like i tell runefury now hey get my SH for 20 million just that the price is raised, then i give rune the gil back lol
the hauby+1 is one of the cases . seller+buyer same fucking LS lol
SE must do somthing also about those gil seller+buyers.

we need random mugging npcs! lol but seriously

I think guilds should become like costcos or BJs...

If you have the skill lvl for a recipe, then you can buy ingredients for that recipe, its needs some fleshing out but i think that would help fix prices since crafters would now be able to compete with the gilsellers

the game already factors in your fame lvl for a price, it just has to factor in your skill lvl for availability and price... i'm not saying vclaw at guild for 500k, but if you had a vclaw purchasable by every bonecrafter who had the skill lvl to make a SH, and it was 9 mil, you would not see many SHs sell for more then that, cause the crafters would compete with each other and drive the price down against the gilsellers

there is more crafters then gilsellers, even if the gilsellers become crafters you still will have a fair competitive marketplace..

then again I'm biased because i craft and think its the best thing since spam...


and if you don't have the skill, then tough luck biotch get some skillz

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The main ingredients for the high ticket items should be regulated so the prices go down and the gil sellers can't monopolize anything.

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na xi, from the time i quit to playing now everything across the board about tripled, silk thread, ram skins, tree cuttings, various little crafting crap i buy everyday all the way up to high dollar items, pretty much a straight triple with minor exception. i do notice crystals have stayed the same, dunno why really. s.cloth only about doubled, might have something to do with SE "fixed" the price on it by making it npc "bought". real problem here is you cant hold onto gil the inflation is so fast. your gil is depreciating in value every day you hold onto it, its almost like real economics, your better off "investing in gold" or something than saving gil, could do it literally haha, buy up gold ignot or some reliable item and resell later just to compensate for inflation. in economics they call it "the cost of shoe leather" basically racing to the bank to deposit cuz your money is depreciating so fast you wanna make the interest on it to compensate.

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that's a horrible deal, some websites are $5/mill -.-;; that's why there are so many gilbuyers right now, it's too TOO cheap now.

I'll add more comments and my opinions when I get home from school later. class just ended.

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Why are you looking at gil prices?

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they have advertisements all over alot of FFXI sites

yea, like mysterytour

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