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誰要吸我的大雞雞? 幹你媽的G8然後再吃屎吧! CKD他媽的是他媽的SHIT! 誰偷了Kraken阿? 小心我用我的雞雞捅你. Yarr 偷了我的 Kraken + Bike.


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ckd your mom is your mom's shit. who stole k.club. careful i use my cock smash you. yarr stole my bike and k.club
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that's pretty cheap considering how worthless gil is nowadays.

and I dont blame vaelan for dropping the website for FS.

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that's pretty cheap considering how worthless gil is nowadays.

and I dont blame vaelan for dropping the website for FS.



I feel bad for the legions of fans who right now must be crushed.

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im just wondering if i read that right that u needed 20 ppl to kill LoO

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no lol Hccmike 2 boxed him and Synergy and killed LoO

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no FS said they had 18 people there or some shit and wow thats like TTK sending both of its shells to simmy

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That was a long time ago though... like when Movien played FFXI lol. Think they got adds too and Movien had to occupy them with his BST if I remember correctly. 18 still is alot for LoO, but more people is good for chances to claim when you have competition. Doubt they would actually need more than a full pt to kill it.

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ya we usually bring 15 + for leaping lizzy

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that's pretty cheap considering how worthless gil is nowadays.

and I dont blame vaelan for dropping the website for FS.



I feel bad for the legions of fans who right now must be crushed.


Don't ever shut down these forums lol


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Well Ket, it's a number of issues starting from before I left the LS. Basically the leadership of the LS became corrupt beyond all recognition, the drama in the LS is horrible, from people faking other's deaths to get LS sympathy to others selling LS items when they don't even play hardly at all anymore. You have both of those ppl getting away with these things because they are part of the "in" crowd in the LS. It's basically been one folly after another for FS and the family atmosphere was gone. The key players in the LS are not in it for the good of the LS, they're in it to accomplish individual goal and don't care about doing stuff that they want to do.

I guess Vaelen finally decided that he didn't want to put up with all the crap on a website that he was paying for, especially when he's starting to focus more and more on WoW and wants to take the website in that direction. The family that FS was when Vaelen was playing is no more, it's now just a bunch of ppl that want to try new things, but the key players don't care about the "family".

Going to start off by saying that I'm only bothering to post on this at all because of how much I hate the person Arnwulf has become.

1) Zilart never was staff and he was never up for consideration for a position on staff period.

2) We have done a lot of research behind the whole Lyndis death thing, and nothing points to Karly being behind any of it. Her only fault -in this case- is being tricked into posting that Lyndis died. If we found anything that might suggest Karly was part of the hoax she would be out of the LS, no questions. If you dont believe me, ask Mysk. She did a lot of the investigating herself.

3) I've given up on arguing that the Kraken was a LS item. Since it wasnt a LS item it belonged to the people that camped it. I told dust to pay Seiki and Patter or leave the LS. He decided to leave.

4) I guess I fall into the "key players" category you talk about in your post and I'm only doing what I want to do for the goals I want to accomplish right? Wrong. What is the LS doing this week? Sky. Do I personally want to do sky? Nope. I would rather do kings and start attempting wyrms, but doing sky makes a lot of the people in the LS happy so we still spend the majority of LS events up there.

But of course I must be lying because you still play the game and are active in FS... oh wait... no you dont do either of those things so please stop assuming shit


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Hey Arn, I know you're trying to be the objective outside voice here, but saying that the entire staff of FS is about a "good ole boys" club isn't really the case and you know it. Pardon me for taking it personally for being called "corrupt beyond all recognition", but if you're going to lump all of FS staff in, I've got to object that. You know how hard many of the staff members (past and present) have worked on behalf of the linkshell to make the rules objective and to make a linkshel where everyone was able to benefit from the overall picture. If some people aren't as active now as they used to be, it's because everyone needs a break once in a while, hence why the linkshell voted 3 new staff people in to assist. Yes, that's right, voted, so I'm at a loss to see how you can put Myskhal, Alpsyche, and Ladislav in some sort of group of people who are just staff because they're in the "in club". Just had to object to the blatent generalization that is a reflection of your personal conflicts with a couple of the FS staff members ;)

The problem of why the club issue wasn't handled quickly and discretely like it should have been stems back to when Vaelen ran the shell and he did handle people based on which crowd they were in, and who was in his. Everyone who has ever been in staff since that point has had to work to overcome how the linkshell was founded. You've been in the position yourself of working against the founding ideas (think Leak's osode), so you know what I'm talking about. Please don't come here acting like there's some sort of conspiracy on the part of FS staff to screw over the linkshell. But hey guess what, people are still people and everyone is bound to make a mistake sometimes. I'll be the first to admit that mistakes have been made in FS, but I challenge any other person to say they act perfectly every time in every situation. The biggest mistake here has been the lack of communication based on the initial response of all involved parties when the sale happened.

And dear god, I'm going to even make a public statement about the Kraken "gasp".

Out of the people in FS, only 4-5 who were even in the shell at the time the Kraken was obtained still play in FS. Dust, Kilik, Backlash, Karlyne, and myself. I may be missing one or two and if so, I apologize.

From what I've talked to about people who were actually there, and from what I remember, I've got to say that it was handled like a money camp. First off, people who were online were told not to come. Now, if it was going to be a linkshell item, logically you would want all the help you could get to ensure a win, espeically considering that many of the people weren't even 75 at the time. I mean, you don't hear people saying "nono, don't come to Kirin, we have enough". However, if it was a camp for money item, sometimes you limit the number of people in the group so that when the item is sold, everyone gets a decent cut.

Second, Vaelen took possession of the crub and started lending it out to people who were at the camp. They all got first crack at it, then other members of the linkshell got to use it. There were many requests made to Vaelen to sell the club after the initial campers had their turn with the club, and he always said no, not because the item belonged to the linkshell, but because he enjoyed having it around as a status item and he felt that the privilege of lending out the Kraken throughout the linkshell was more beneficial than a few million to each camper. I remember a few of the campers disagreeing with this and they kept arguing to sell the club (this was back in the day where most people in FS were struggling to build up their character and save money for things we take for granted now, like haubys and scorp harnesses).

Third, eventually Vaelen started playing less and less and asked Poptart to handle the rotation of the club to LS members who wanted to use it. Poptart had responsibility for the club for about a year, then took a break and passed it on to Alpsyche. During this time period, most of the people who were in FS at the time the club was obtained (Oct 2004) either quit the game, or quit the LS. Vaelen quit and no one ever asked me to sell the club while I was in charge except in jest. To my knowledge, no one asked Kilik either. New people joining FS saw the sign up thread for borrowing the Kraken and assumed it was linkshell property. Eventually, Dust was the only one left in FS who was there at camp when the club was obtained and the majority of the linkshell assumed it was LS property due to it being lent out all the time.

Such are the facts at hand, and whether I agree with Dust being able to sell or, the manner of how he sold it, and whether anyone else should get a cut is something I won't discuss in public until I can get all the participants in a room together, tie them to their chairs, and tickle them until they talk it out and come to a resolution.

Vaelen deciding that he didn't want the issue or any FF "drama" issue on his forums is his perogative, since he pays for and maintains the site. The FF FS shell has been there on his sufferage since he quit, and being forced to change to a site run by an active member will probably only be better for the shell in the long run, as my gaming experience has always shown it's bad to have a person in a position of power within the structure who doesn't play the game anymore, no matter their former status (current situation being a case in point).

P.S. Arn - If you have proof positive information that it was Karlyne who set up the whole Lyndis fake death and not Lyndis, then send it to me and I will make sure that Karlyne is removed from FS as well as make sure any other LS leadership people I have contact with know about it. As I said, messing around with people's emotions like that is severely messed up, and against every reason I still play FF, despite all the BS. I couldn't tell for sure, whether it was Karlyne or Lyndis who started the hoax, and believe me, we tried to figure it out, and I won't condem Karlyne without proof, despite my distaste for her outlook on appropriate handling of personal situations.

Also, I know you're bored at work, and that's your motivation for continuing these type of topics, but I'm going to ask again. You're not involved in this anymore. Why keep stirring the pot by bashing FS? Let it go, you still have friends in the shell, but constantly bashing those who chose to stay will eventually get old. Or at least, don't restrict your bashing to one shell. I'm sure you have plenty of dirt on other shells, share the love so it doesn't come across like you are only interested in bringing down FS, which includes people you claim to still care about being friends with.

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last i checked, whoever camped a private camp regardless of what LS theyre in gets a cut of money when the shit gets sold. kinda lame if you ask me to have retards say "no they arent in the LS anymore so i get it all to myself" doesnt negate the help the others contributed to getting the item.

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You know, it's pretty sad what this game has come to. Some people would rather stab their "friends" in the back because they want some so-called uber item, than act with some integrity and character. It's basically the same irl as in game, some people would rather take the easy road, whether it is right or wrong. The only main difference is irl you would have recourse for recovering things stolen from you, but in game all you can really do is piss and moan, trash the person, and get the word out that the guy is a two-faced prick.

I guess I really should not be surprised to hear that it has happened again. I'm sure every major LS has had this happen to them at one time or another, and it is inexcusable every time, regardless of someone's so-called "reasons".

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You know, it's pretty sad what this game has come to. Some people would rather stab their "friends" in the back because they want some so-called uber item, than act with some integrity and character. It's basically the same irl as in game, some people would rather take the easy road, whether it is right or wrong. The only main difference is irl you would have recourse for recovering things stolen from you, but in game all you can really do is piss and moan, trash the person, and get the word out that the guy is a two-faced prick.

I guess I really should not be surprised to hear that it has happened again. I'm sure every major LS has had this happen to them at one time or another, and it is inexcusable every time, regardless of someone's so-called "reasons".


Yeah, but for every healing staff or Kraken you'll never here the stories on the other end of the spectrum where people work hard for each other's goals.

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last i checked, whoever camped a private camp regardless of what LS theyre in gets a cut of money when the shit gets sold. kinda lame if you ask me to have retards say "no they arent in the LS anymore so i get it all to myself" doesnt negate the help the others contributed to getting the item.


i dont' think you'll find many that disagree with you on that one.


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lol

I love how FS members come here and only make them selves look more retarded.

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Yarr wrote:
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that's pretty cheap considering how worthless gil is nowadays.

and I dont blame vaelan for dropping the website for FS.



I feel bad for the legions of fans who right now must be crushed.


I meant that as in the fact that he's paying out of his pocket for something that he honestly doesn't care about anymore. and considering how much traffic the site must have taken monthly it was a pretty penny out of his wallet

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In response to Kilik -

1. I'm not sure if you were there or not for the staff meeting where we discussed that Zilart was still considered a candidate for staff, anyway the point if moot now, he's gone. I'll never bring it up again.

2. I could have been wrong about the Karlyne / Lyndis incident, but come on, we all know Karlyne has a penis too. Unless you have a follow up to this, I will never mention it again.

3. It's sad that DD decided to leave then man up and do the right thing, but I guess there's not much you can do about it now. Issue closed with me.

4. Actually Kilik, you're doing a good job from what people tell me, your only downfall is the fact that you take forever and a day to make decisions on LS related issues. I heard LS event attendance is up, that's good ^^.

To Chanalix -

I'm not trying to say the entire staff is like that, it's just the way it used to be and I think it's actually getting away from that mentality with Taquito and now Dustdevil gone, they were the two biggest hippocrits the LS had ever seen as far as picking and choosing what events to show up to, IN THE END. I know they used to come to everything and wanted to take a break, but they never really showed back up, unless DD has since I've left the game.

I think it's really good that FS has Myskhal, Alpsyche and Ladislav as staff now, they're awesome additions to the staff and will do nothing but help the LS in the end.

Why I still care about FateSealers as a linkshell is beyond me lol. I guess it's because I still talk to a lot of ppl in there and I hate to see them upset. Meh, I think I'll go get a life now ;p

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Yea Arn.. I remember how everyone jumped to help you defeat Ultima and Omega you ungrateful piece of shit.


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That was a long time ago though... like when Movien played FFXI lol. Think they got adds too and Movien had to occupy them with his BST if I remember correctly. 18 still is alot for LoO, but more people is good for chances to claim when you have competition. Doubt they would actually need more than a full pt to kill it.


I think it was reberuge(SP?) that trained the adds onto FS when they did it, but movien was on his bst there and kept them busy.

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Yea Arn.. I remember how everyone jumped to help you defeat Ultima and Omega you ungrateful piece of shit.


Dude I said "thank you" to you guys like a million times and it was awesome what you did for me. You gotta admit Taq, you had to "pick your brother up at the airport" quite a bit before you finally took your break. ^^ You were an awesome player in your prime, and I truely do apprieciate all that you did for me.

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hmmmm thread dieing what to do now >.> <,< owell ill just wait there will be another thread like this one some time :3.

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