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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:21 pm 
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people stopped kiting genbu?

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Me personally, I like balance. So currently, all 4 of my main Summoner catagories are at level 2 merits. My last 2 upgrades will be in physical attack and magical attack.

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madi is right only thing that affect BP is gear but only affect BP timer i put 5 in spirit cast and 5 in magic acc, i had 5 in avatar phy acc, and 5 in att but seen no diffrence, but now my elemental spirits cast me 6MP a tick and i dont have AF+1 boot nor do i have Nashira Gages

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No way Whisp, we still kite him, we just do the fight naked without armor to make it more of a challenge :P

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O.o Madis screen cap of Kioko's tell makes me laugh uncontrollably.

Anyway. If you have Diabolos, and you max Avatar Magic Attack, you will do rougly 30 more damage with him. It still doenst merit upgrading it at all, unless you really want to kill Kirin a second faster.


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sometime (fighting Ultima and higher lv mob) nether blast gets resist and only do like 200ish is that need acc or atk?

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Well I'm not completely sure about magic merits since I don't bother to level them but, compared to other merits, wouldn't "increase magic accuracy" make nether blast go less resisted?

Nether blast is a very odd attack. From what we know, the max with no buffs is 508, right? And it usually does 508 to everything. (( 508 at lvl 75 ))

But this attack isn't random like other magic bloodpacts. For instance, to kirin I have never, ever , ever done less than 508. 508 always, seemlingly like it cannot be resistsed? BUT On Omega I remember doing somewhere in between 200 and 300 (( can't remember the exact number)) but regardless, it was always the same number. Then on King Behemoth BCNM 99 , 508 constantly again. Never resisted.


To be honest I have no idea what determines Nether blast's accuracy, but no matter what it's damage does, it always seems to do the exact same amount everytime, differeing only with what mobs you fight.

Moral of the story! Don't waste merits on summoner. lmao SMn is perfectly fine without them

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The reason Madi is because what you're seeing is not magic resistance, it's a monster-specific trait added in CoP: Magic Damage -50%.

SE wanted to nerf the idea of manaburning everything. So most newer HNM take half damage from all magic, such as the CoP Wyrms.

Nether Blast cannot be resisted. However if a monster has an after-calculation buff/trait (Shell, Magic Damage -%, etc) then it will still be applied to the damage dealt. That is why you'll find if Nether Blast is doing half damage, it is still doing the same amount of damage every time.

Ruinous Omen on the otherhand gets resisted hardcore on HNM, which is a shame, but it was still the strongest attack I could get off on Proto-Ultima, who is weak to darkness, at 800+ damage.

That's my findings on the subject anyhow.


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Makes alot of sense, that is why it only does that same specific number when I fought tiamat as well (( 200-300, cant remember exactly what the number was))

edit:(( I had said in above post about King behe in lumbus taking 508 from blast but I corrected it after you mentioned that, because I remember now that it was doing that same half damage number as well.))

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doesnt levi do more on tia?

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Half the time tiamat is in the air :P Levi can't touch it when he is flying

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Makes alot of sense, that is why it only does that same specific number when I fought tiamat as well (( 200-300, cant remember exactly what the number was))

edit:(( I had said in above post about King behe in lumbus taking 508 from blast but I corrected it after you mentioned that, because I remember now that it was doing that same half damage number as well.))


correction?? KB in limbus is 600+ b/c it's double dark weather, no?

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The reason Madi is because what you're seeing is not magic resistance, it's a monster-specific trait added in CoP: Magic Damage -50%.

SE wanted to nerf the idea of manaburning everything. So most newer HNM take half damage from all magic, such as the CoP Wyrms.

Nether Blast cannot be resisted. However if a monster has an after-calculation buff/trait (Shell, Magic Damage -%, etc) then it will still be applied to the damage dealt. That is why you'll find if Nether Blast is doing half damage, it is still doing the same amount of damage every time.

Ruinous Omen on the otherhand gets resisted hardcore on HNM, which is a shame, but it was still the strongest attack I could get off on Proto-Ultima, who is weak to darkness, at 800+ damage.

That's my findings on the subject anyhow.


that make sense maybe it's really true that SMN merit is only for the show...

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I remember getting the halved damage on the Fafnir , Turtle and KB in limbus

hmm maybe not the KB though....my memory is blurry there.

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Madisonli wrote:
I remember getting the halved damage on the Fafnir , Turtle and KB in limbus

hmm maybe not the KB though....my memory is blurry there.


same here... and I just did that on Sunday... I am getting old...

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