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Ok so no dinosaurs or anything science fiction like that. Still, reading about this makes me hate my job even more.

Its an interesting read. Im always interested in reading about new discoveries. I love reading about the discovery of old ideas or things.

I mean how amazing would it be if you studied birds all your life. You read and hear about a "berlepsch's six-wired bird of paradise" but no one has ever seen one. Its only known through feathers that have been found and dead birds. Maybe a handful of people have seen one. Imagin you now see a pair of them land in your camp and start putting on a show lol.

I mean seriously, thats amazing. I envy the people who got to study this un touched area.

anyway heres the artical and its VERY interesting to read.



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An astonishing mist-shrouded "lost world" of previously unknown and rare animals and plants high in the mountain rainforests of New Guinea has been uncovered by an international team of scientists.

Among the new species of birds, frogs, butterflies and palms discovered in the expedition through this pristine environment, untouched by man, was the spectacular Berlepsch's six-wired bird of paradise. The scientists are the first outsiders to see it. They could only reach the remote mountainous area by helicopter, which they described it as akin to finding a "Garden of Eden".

In a jungle camp site, surrounded by giant flowers and unknown plants, the researchers watched rare bowerbirds perform elaborate courtship rituals. The surrounding forest was full of strange mammals, such as tree kangaroos and spiny anteaters, which appeared totally unafraid, suggesting no previous contact with humans.

Bruce Beehler, of the American group Conservation International, who led the month-long expedition last November and December, said: "It is as close to the Garden of Eden as you're going to find on Earth. We found dozens, if not hundreds, of new species in what is probably the most pristine ecosystem in the whole Asian-Pacific region. There were so many new things it was almost overwhelming. And we have only scratched the surface of what is there." The scientists hope to return this year.

The area, about 300,000 hectares, lies on the upper slopes of the Foja Mountains, in the easternmost and least explored province of western New Guinea, which is part of Indonesia. The discoveries by the team from Conservation International and the Indonesian Institute of Sciences will enhance the island's reputation as one of the most biodiverse on earth. The mountainous terrain has caused hundreds of distinct species to evolve, often specific to small areas.

The Foja Mountains, which reach heights of 2,200 metres, have not been colonised by local tribes, which live closer to sea level. Game is abundant close to villages, so there is little incentive for hunters to penetrate up the slopes. A further 750,000 hectares of ancient forest is also only lightly visited.

One previous scientific trip has been made to the uplands - the evolutionary biologist and ornithologist Professor Jared Diamond visited 25 years ago - but last year's mission was the first full scientific expedition.

The first discovery made by the team, within hours of arrival, was of a bizarre, red-faced, wattled honeyeater that proved to be the first new species of bird discovered in New Guinea - which has a higher number of bird species for its size than anywhere else in the world - since 1939. The scientists also found the rare golden-fronted bowerbird, first identified from skins in 1825. Although Professor Diamond located their homeland in 1981, the expedition was able to photograph the bird in its metre-high "maypole" dance grounds, which the birds construct to attract mates. Male bowerbirds, believed to be the most highly evolved of all birds, build large and extravagant nests to attract females.

The most remarkable find was of a creature called Berlepsch's six-wired bird of paradise, named after the six spines on the top of its head, and thought "lost" to science. It had been previously identified only from the feathers of dead birds.

Dr Beehler, an expert on birds of paradise, which only live in northern Australia and New Guinea, said: "It was very exciting, when two of these birds, a male and a female, which no one has seen alive before ... came into the camp and the male displayed its plumage to the female in full view of the scientists."

Scientists also found more than 20 new species of frogs, four new butterflies, five new species of palm and many other plants yet to be classified, including what may be the world's largest rhododendron flower. Botanists on the team said many plants were completely unlike anything they had encountered before.
Tree kangaroos, which are endangered elsewhere in New Guinea, were numerous and the team found one species entirely new to the island. The golden-mantled tree kangaroo is considered the most beautiful but also the rarest of the jungle-dwelling marsupials. There were also other marsupials, such as wallabies and mammals that have been hunted almost to extinction elsewhere. And a rare spiny anteater, the long beaked echidna, about which little is known, allowed itself to be picked up by hand. Dr Beehler said: "What was amazing was the lack of wariness of all the animals. In the wild, all species tend to be shy of humans, but that is learnt behaviour because they have encountered mankind. In Foja they did not appear to mind our presence at all.

"This is a place with no roads or trails and never, so far as we know, visited by man ... This proves there are still places to be discovered that man has not touched."

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Birds

The scientists discovered a new species - the red faced, wattled honeyeater - and found the breeding grounds of two birds of almost mythical status - the golden- fronted bowerbird and Berlepsch's six-wired bird of paradise, long believed to have disappeared as a separate species. The expedition also came across exotic giant-crowned pigeons and giant cassowaries - a huge flightless bird - which are among more than 225 species which breed in the area, including 13 species of birds of paradise. One scientist said that the dawn chorus was the most fantastic he had ever heard.

Mammals

Forty species of mammals were recorded. Six species of tree kangeroos, rare elsewhere in New Guinea, were abundant and the scientists also found a species which is new to Indonesia, the golden-mantled tree kangeroo. The rare and almost unknown long-beaked echidna, or spiny anteater, a member of a primitive group of egg-laying mammals called monotremes, was also encountered. Like all the mammals found in the area, it was completely unafraid of humans and could be easily picked up, suggesting its previous contact with man was negligible.

Plants

A total area of about one million hectares of pristine, ancient, tropical, humid forest containing at least 550 plants species, many previously unknown and including five new species of palms. One of the most spectacular discoveries was a so far unidentified species of rhododendron, which has a white scented flower almost six inches across, equalling the largest recorded rhododendron flower.

Butterflies

Entomologists among the scientists identified more than 150 different species of butterfly, including four completely new species and several new sub-species, some of which are related to the common English "cabbage white" butterfly. Other butterflies observed included the rare giant birdwing, which is the world's largest butterfly, with a wingspan that stretches up to seven inches.

Frogs

The Foja is one of the richest sites for frogs in the entire Asia-Pacific region, and the team identified 60 separate species, including 20 previously unknown to science, one of which is only 14mm big. Among their discoveries were healthy populations of the rare and little-known lace-eyed frog and a new population of another frog, the Xenorhina arboricola, which had previously only been known to exist in Papua New Guinea.

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Wow that's huge news for those scientists...I can't imagine discovering anything like that. I wonder if the people I worked for at the Nature Centre are going to take a trip there to study the birds. They often go out of the country to observe and study new or existing species. Those damn treehuggers. lol


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Give it 5 years and we'll cutting down the trees, eating the animals, and drilling for oil (in a place where there probably isn't any).

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Well keep in mind where this location is. Most area's of it could only be studied from the air.


Nothing is known so setting up camp is pretty hard when its all just thick trees on a mountain lol.

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thats cool

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While it's probably a fun job to explore those area, one has to eventually wonder if it's really useful. :neutral: + or - 1 bird species won't change anything for anyone.

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anything is useful if its desired, and knowledge is desired. the problem is can we gain knowledge without contaminating the pristine environment..?

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Not all knowledge has the same value Whisp :wink:

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While it's probably a fun job to explore those area, one has to eventually wonder if it's really useful. :neutral: + or - 1 bird species won't change anything for anyone.


It's important and useful for the research of the environment in that it proves that although the amount of rainforest, natural environments, etc. is diminishing on this planet, there are still species that are surviving that we though perished in the destruction/changes of those environments. It may also prove that those previously "lost" species may have moved to and adapted to another environment other than the one they had lived in before.


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(shrug) If all knowledge had to be useful, there wouldn't be much except for science and engineering. Though there are numerous arguments as to why bioclassification and study is useful in its own right, I think it should be studied simply for the sake of being known. Besides, I bet those geeky scientists had a blast.


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maybe all knowledge doesn't have the same value, but it all has a value, in that there are people who want to know it, somewhere, no matter how dull it seems. if it's interesting it has a lot of value and this is definitely interesting.

its interesting to think that there are still spots on earth that humans haven't infested. it's interesting to think of it in an evolutionary aspect too, how animals have been geographically isolated and either formed new features or retained old ones that we thought we long-gone. +/- 1 species is very important to a lot of people like zoologists, botanists, hobbyists, even retards who get amused by stripes and colors. i'd love to be able to say, "I found a new species of life." Maybe we'll even find a new medicinal compound in one of the new plants or animals. Life just seems so rare in this universe to scoff at it on earth. If we found a lifeform on mars I doubt people would say, "Species count has risen plus one, who cares.."

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How is it useful from an utilitarism standpoint to spend time researching new bird species instead of doing..let's say, stuff for your society. ;p

It won't allow you to heal disease or understand physic better. It won't really help you to understand the nature mechanism better either, since we have more specimen than we can study already. Beside the satisfaction of discovering something that was never discovered before, I don't think it really mean anything.

It's kinda like discovering a new star in astronomy. As fun as it is to find a new one, giving a name and knowing its intensity doesn't mean much, uless it has something unique. But sadly, it's rarely the case. The same thing apply to that bird I guess.

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so they find a cure for AIDS yet? >.>

if they are just imitating dora the explorer instead of curing diseases, it makes one wonder

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this is awesome to hear about lol, i just hope that our stupidass human race doesn't go and fuck it all up


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from a utilitarian standpoint? lol. ok hows this:

i like hearing about new discoveries.

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from a utilitarian standpoint? lol. ok hows this:
i like hearing about new discoveries.



That would be hedonist ;p


I just find ironic people enjoy spending millions to find those few species, when hundred of human are dying from hunger in the town a few kilometers away from that place.

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whats a six-wired bird?


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my point is that if it interests me, it probably interests others too.

i dont think feeding the hungry is necessarily the utilitarianist optimum. if we want to have the most amount of good long-term, overpopulation isn't exactly in our favor. neither is balancing rich and poor into equilibrium. how incredibly costly was this trip anyway? there is probably a limit to how much we should spend for knowledge like this, but i doubt we approached the limit. knowledge definitely serves a purpose. i guess i'm of the mindset that if there is any knowledge humans collectively currently lack but can obtain, we should obtain it if it's feasable. I support most if not all astronomical missions, but I lean more towards unmanned exploration.

but this article isn't about space, it's about a simple biological survey. seems fine to me, as long as we don't interfere with the nature there.

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Knowledge mean nothing when it serve nothing.


I was making the comparison with space to show you how utterly pointless some "knowledges" are. There is about 300 millions in our galaxy alone. Should we really study all of them independantly. Can you really say we lack that knowledges?

The animal we are talking about are slight mutation of one of the other 10000 (if not more) species and have nothing really particular as far as I know. Unless they redefine our concept of biology and animal reign, I really don't think it worth it to get excited over a discovery like that. [/quote]

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if you dont get excited thats fine, but other people find it interesting

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Knowledge mean nothing when it serve nothing.


I was making the comparison with space to show you how utterly pointless some "knowledges" are. There is about 300 millions in our galaxy alone. Should we really study all of them independantly. Can you really say we lack that knowledges?

The animal we are talking about are slight mutation of one of the other 10000 (if not more) species and have nothing really particular as far as I know. Unless they redefine our concept of biology and animal reign, I really don't think it worth it to get excited over a discovery like that.


Well look at it this way...by studying and documenting these new species, galaxies, other discoveries, scientists, researchers, students, the general public, etc will have records and history 100+ years from now. That's what I think is important about these "knowledges" as you call them. What we study now is the product of research and documentation by others years before us. If our entire human race is killed off all of a sudden and something/someone else grows or comes here, they'll find documentation of what was here. Invaluable information in my opinion. And all knowledge serves some purpose.


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Archaeologists Unearth Headless Sphinx
TIVOLI, Italy - Archaeologists who have been digging for more than a year at the villa of Roman Emperor Hadrian in Tivoli have unearthed a monumental staircase, a statue of an athlete and what appears to be a headless sphinx.
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The findings were presented Tuesday by government officials who described the discoveries as extremely important for understanding the layout of the ruins. The staircase is believed to be the original entrance to the villa, which was built for Hadrian in the 2nd century A.D.

So far, 15 steps, each 27 feet wide, have been identified and archaeologists did not rule out uncovering more.

Officials said that the newly uncovered area of the site, northeast of Rome, would be open to the public within a year.


we humans should just pretend we never discovered this and use the remainder of the research fund money to provide fresh drinking water to poor people or maybe to build the 1,213th church in tulsa oklahoma?

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That's a great discovery! I'm minoring in history and my main interest is how people lived in various different eras. I love social history and findings like that lead to further understandings and discoveries in that area.


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Give it 5 years and we'll cutting down the trees, eating the animals, and drilling for oil (in a place where there probably isn't any).


I gotta agree with Mil, it's not gonna take us too long as a society to screw this place up. Just wait. . . it's gonna happen. lol

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