Runs on water WS

Discuss (I dont know if this is old news or not)

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1147684582/Water_As_Fuel_

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hmm don't know if I openly believe it yet. The only place I can find information on it has to do with a dead scientist who was openly found guilty of making false claims abut the gas HHO. And this guys website, which mind you looks very low key and frontpagesque.

Then again they could both be very unlucky victims of oil company pressure and conspiracy? I don't like the idea of disbelieving them based on the statement that if scientist couldn't do it for the last 40 years, why should some normal guy be able to do it. What bothers me is that there is a lack of proponents from other fields, and a lack of publicism of the idea. Its almost like the idea is taboo to believe in or know about publically.

What also bothers me about this, is that if they can sell these units to do what they say, and the US government and automakers have taken intrest, isn't backwards engineering possible if you have the unit? I noticed that you can lease or rent a unit from them, if you lease or rent a unit, doesn't that mean you can determine it works the way it is supposed to work? They wouldn't rent out units just to have people claim fraud after the machine stops working in a week.

I'm skeptic right now, there isn't enough information to be happy about this device. And not enough coverage of the invention, the inventor, or the idea. Considering it has the possiblity if its real to change the way our world is shaped and our lives on a global level. Off topic, I've seen water "lasers" on discovery channel cut steel in seconds. I agree with the proponents, it would be nice if its the real deal.

Anybody know whatever happened to that "portable tornado" thing that came out last year, it was able to take very little energy and molecularize anything you feed into the top of the machine?

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Hmm

seems almost "too good to be true" or you think I would have heard about this on the news.

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yea seems way to good to be true.And a car the simply runs on water lol

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Remember that gasoline in of itself is not anymore flammable then water is in its liquid state. Its when gasoline is converted into fumes, and/or molecularized in the car that its combustable. But the acutally liquid gas doesn't light on fire, its the fumes right above the surface that light on fire.

In the apparent device, they seperate water molecules into their base forms, and then recombine it into a new form, one hydrogen atom connected to one hydrogen atom, with an oxygen atom connected to one end of the resulting diatomc hydrogen. Instead of the normal water molecule of one oxygen atom with 2 hydrogen atoms connected to it. No one is disputing the validity of the gas itself being able to do what is said, but all known theories behind the gas, and the creation of the gas require vast amount of energy to create it, this guy says he makes it with less energy then theoritically possible... thus the delimma of whether its really true.

They have had HHO for a long time, and have tested its possible uses before, but the gas is expensive to make power wise, and has never lasted very long is extremely volatile. His claims qualify a technical perpetual motion machine, which is fndamentally not possible unless we rework the laws of physics we use.

I want to believe him, but then the whole aspect of it being too good to be true bothers me. Plus the car he ran with it, was a hybrid, which why run a hybrid if your trying to prove your water car works on just water....

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What are you talking about lol. That doesn't matter when the liquid has such a low BP. Water doesn't undergo combustion anyhow, it's one of the products made.



This is where I was wondering wtf is going on. I've never heard of HHO... since when does hydrogen make 2 bonds, that sounds incredibly unstable, how is this possible to make with only @ home electricity...

You have to watch the video before you make comments poncho, the water is being disassembled by his machine and reassembled into HHO, which is then being used as the combustable material. He is not touting a hydrogen cell which combines hydrogen atoms with oxygen to make water as a byproduct, he is doing the reverse, to break down liquid water into the hydrogen and recombine into his fuel source on the spot.

And what I was referring to is the fact that gasoline as a liquid does not burn, when you burn gasoline you do not burn the liquid, but rather the extremely fine gas that is continously evaporating from its surface, which is also why its so hard to put out a fire that is on top of a gasline spill, because if nothing is porous unerneath to absorb the liquid and control its movement, spraying water on it only moves the gasoline about, making it more difficult to suffocate the fumes coming off the liquid surface of the gasoline. Thus the reason why you use dry medium fire extinguishers on a gasoline fire to suffocate and absorb the liquid instead of cool it down.

Its sort of anal to say its not the gasoline that catches on fire, but technically its true, the gasoline as a liquid is not whats on fire when you see it light up, the fumes around it are. that is the whole purpose behind a bad injector on a car slowing down performance, since it does not break down the liquid into a fine enough surface area to provide adqueate evaporation into gas before the combustion stage of the engine. Once a small amount of fume is combusted, the rest takes over rapidly processing the multiple drops of gasoline, which now has a larger surface area of evaporation because of being turned into a mist. Its all happens in split seconds, but its a complex process.

Just because soemthing doesn't seem to be combustible at first, doesn't mean it can't be made into a combustible. Oxygen is one of the most flammable and deadly materials on earth, yet in water its inert.

The unstable nature of HHO is why nobody believe its a real invention, for he would have discovered something that technically impossible to reliably create.

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[quote="Daedalan"]You have to watch the video before you make comments poncho, the water is being disassembled by his machine and reassembled into HHO, which is then being used as the combustable material. He is not touting a hydrogen cell which combines hydrogen atoms with oxygen to make water as a byproduct, he is doing the reverse, to break down liquid water into the hydrogen and recombine into his fuel source on the spot.[quote]
No I watched it...my point was that water is a byproduct of the combustion reaction. How is "HHO" a combustable material? All I was saying was that it was not combustion.

HHO + O2= H2O + X X= O2? The O2 isn't oxidizing anything...so not combustion.

I can see this used as energy if HHO is possible just from the exothermic reaction of breaking those high energy bonds, but it is not combustion. Am I missing something or did I go completely retarded from alcohol?

And I only commented on the liquid gas not being flammable because it wasn't relevant and looked like you went wikipedia crazy or something haha. Oh well.

My question is, how much electricity you need to do that. If the guy need a nuclear central to recharge his car battery, I don't think it worth it.

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well I do know you can do this to H20 (water) then break them down to H2 (Hydrogen) and 0 (oxygen) with type of metal ( I forgot they were) then used ele. charge but I think you also add acid in water to speed up the break down (still not sure if this is done right due to 20 year from high school lol)

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