Wrong man, alot of LSs have 26-30 members and do fine in Dyn-Xarc, CoP wyrms, sea, etc. They just have alot of "haijin" members who basically have all the useful jobs leveled and play almost 24/7. Ifrit does not quite have a 24/7 totally elite LS than can kill everything but AV with 18-22 players. I talk to people and really TTK is a zerg LS compared to what goes for a big LS on other servers. IRON does not have 50 members on at all times rofl. They are also a combination of 2 different LSs that joined together a few years ago. Lunarians and ArchDominus on Bismark also do really well so IRON's dominance really isn't that much of an issue.

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That would be because those are some of the strongest and versatile jobs in FFXI. Dont blame guilds/linkshells for wanting specific jobs. Blame SE for making it so easy for a group of these jobs to down ANYTHING. Also it's easier in FFXI the other games. You dont have the job they are looking for? Level that job up. Doesnt require you to reroll or anything special. Any end game guild/clan/linkshell is going to have a "We are looking for so and so classes" post in their recruitment section.

Nah, maybe i worded it wrong but i want saying that IRON always had 50+ members online.

What im trying to point out is the fact that they have the people to run Dyna-Xarc easily, kill wyrms on short term notice, and farm JoL in a timely matter.

Not because they have 50 members online, but because they have 50 members who have played with eachother, and know eachother well enough to tackle hard things.

Sure, they might not have 50 ppl online when tiamat pops. But like you said, they WILL have 18-25 on when he pops, and thats all you need to kill him, correct?

Most dominant HNM shells on our servers only have 25-30 dedicated members at most, and thats why you dont see them farming sea, or killing DL with ease.

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I agree with you anitha, im just pointing out the fact that you're making yourself look like a hypocrite when you say a certain HNMLS is tehghey for using SMN alliances to kill wyrms.

It makes no sense when you turn around and say "its not our fault, Blame SE! those are just the most usefull jobs for endgame!"

dont h8

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Eh Atariii farms sea whenever we feel like it lmao. You don't need 18 people to kill any inside jailers.. just the outside ones. Has TTK even popped JoL yet? I heard they had farmed a pop set.. Atariii has had a pop set for JoL several months before we actually popped it. Atariii has killed Tiamat and Jorm.. but those really aren't something that seems to be a motivating factor. We rarely check to see if Wyrms are up and usually the SMN LS is already killing it. As CKD we killed DL twice and really DL is not worth farming IMO. We did it both times with about 35-40 people not 50. You do not have to be a zerg LS to be successful in FFXI. Can figure that out by talking to any decent LS leader on other servers. Go back to ZAM.

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Yea we don't like your kind around here!!!



j/k :p

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And again, you're not understanding what im saying.

I never said you needed 50+ members to do anything. I just said that IRON has 50+ members (it says so on their site) and is anyone calling them a Zerg ls?

No.

Why? Because then never have 50+ members on at a time, who the hell does? All im saying is that you have more people available, it would be a shitload easier to accomplish all the harder shit in FFXI. Perfect example would be IRON.

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What about maps linkshell, one of the first to kill AV?

They werent even a hnm linkshell but a colloboration of people from different hnm shells working together in sea, can you imagine that happening on ifrit lol. I mean even in this thread people are saying things (which may /may not be true ) like TTK are a zerg ls, atarri isn't elitist they just want to keep it small, we just want cool people in our linkshell etc, just making that big ass divide bigger.

Ifrit could never ever get to that point where people from valour/atarri/fs/jos/pd/ttk teamed up on a regular basis to farm sea, hell if they did I can see some of the leaders of said linkshells going on a mad rampage kicking everyone that "helped" the others.

Oh and I suppose JP dominance of king camps didn't help but I wasn't there except to see them even pouring in full alliances after emergency maintainence at 3am jp time when you would expect perfect chance for an easier claim.

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Yeah SeaShell was on Titan and they killed AV using the wall glitch lol.. they were not the first to do that also... Limitbreak on Odin and a JP shell also on Odin killed AV using the wall of Justice before Map got his sash utilizing the same glitch..... just Map has the only Ninurta's Sash in the game lmao. But yeah SeaShell is a collaborative effort on Titan and so is MuseLS (Muse's Dynamis LS that has upgraded 5 relics). That is the only server I can remember being like that, but their server has LSs that are 3 Kings only also. Some LS on another server (Midgard maybe?) killed AV without the wall glitch once and were secretive about how they locked the 2hrs.. the second time they popped him they couldn't lock the 2hrs lmao. They even had other LSs popping and killing other Jailers inside and out in a vain attempt to lock the 2hrs.

Also we (Atariii) had our JoL pop set a week or so before the patch that fixed the Wall of Justice glitch. We were actually too lazy to pop him and take advantage of the glitch.

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This is a huge point.

Could you imagine CKD working with TTK? CKD only worked with Valour for a short while and still the atmosphere felt like they just 'tolerated' each others presence, which reached a climax when the Dynamis Lord was killed and Valour left, eventually putting the first nail in CKDynamis's coffin. And not just to pick on my old beloved LS.

Valour, Fatesealers, Sentinels, TTK, Monarchy, none of these linkshells as far as I know really never worked together There were even rules in place that ls members could not associate with other linkshells or attend their events. This is for practical reasons for certain HNM and loot as well as keeping a linkshell stable, however, things like wyrms and Dynamis also were part of this unspoken formality.

Anyway I'm off to Greensboro. I won't be able to poke this thread around, so don't derail it :p I expect thoughtful response when I get back to viewing this thread.

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you guys missed the point I was making because it fell under the blanket of "jim is saying he hates atariii and blaming them for ifrit's stunted growth cuz he didn't get into ckd and is crying us a river so our futons are floating away" but other people (mostly deejay and mandos) have kinda covered what I was trying to say so it's all good.

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For caduceus, I'm pretty sure Valour was in ckdnamis for 2 dynamis lord kills.
(and if you really want to study the grudge history of ifrit it all exists on old threads herein)

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I did not create the blanket. People just have nothing better to attack me with other than I'm emo and/or I'm pissed cuz I didn't get into ckd, despite my long-winded posts (that i make so long winded so people WON'T misconstrue them) that no one reads, they just read the replies to and jump on the conclusion band wagon.

omgz Jimbean = BAD PPL

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After seeing all of the servers in a mainframe, Ifrit is the most populated with JP of all servers. I have a pearl to IRON on my lvl 6 WHM on Bismarck and I constantly talk on their voice chat and they have all said the Japanesse Presense there just doesnt exist. Maybe one linkshell of JPs ever camp but thats it.

So which is why you see all the JPs with cool shit on Ifrit and not so many NAs.

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Grudges;Envy;Pride.

People just dont learn to move along on our server,thus causing a slow down in this servers progress. Ifrit would have a NA GKT(lol) but it was ended (at lvl4?) because people just didnt move on. CKD used hacks. big wow,so did/does every other ls (on every server too). Get over it. The only people who should be complaining are those within the shell. Hell,
Ive called out CKD myself for using hacks,but it was more to prove yarr wrong,which in the end i did. but over all idgaf.

Over all, People are just to worried about what other people are doing.

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RDMAF2:2/5
BSTAF2:5/5(lies!hi2ublacksage)

just feel like going back to this for a sec.. lol

PD = LJ/iMPK.. though i dont think its really hosted by PD, sign ups are just on their forums. and its 6 kills now


ok, back to the main topic you guys are discussing

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meh..... I think it really boils down to people (leaders, linkshells) wanting to create an elitist atmosphere. Can't really blame leaders and entire linkshells for wanting only the best of the best in their linkshell. The problem I think really lies in the fact that people couldn't seem to see past the name of the linkshell they were wearing in order to work with other linkshells towards a larger goal (like killing AV, or banding together against KB, Kirin, etc.). There is just way too much animosity and bitterness on Ifrit.

It used to be the NA vs. the JP's all over the god damn place. Now it has become everybody vs. everybody. It's really disgusting. You try to get help for something, and unless the other person is getting something they consider valuable in return they won't help.

This topic is partly why I tried to keep LJdynamis raids large. Granted there are other reasons like being able to farm more currency for sponsors, more guaranteed kills on Dynamis Lord, more af2 potential, etc. But I also kept it large so we could try to teach more people to work together.... To try and reach a larger percentage of the server population. Now I'm not going to deny that we were also trying to obtain the best players. As a leader and member I wanted the best, but I didn't deny many people even though we had a roster of 100+.

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Fate Sealers and CKD worked together during the early ealry cheeseburger runs for dynamis but that was when both shells were big and it became an issue with who from what shell got to go during given times. Spare the drama I'm just stating what happened so no need to bring further shit up. However, if one takes notice of servers I see like 2-4 major HNM LS period per server and that is all. Ifrit had CKD, Monarchy, FS, TTK, Valour, and I think one other shell at one time. Count in 3 HNM JP shells (SOB, KFC, and Valkyries) and BAM you have a shit ton of competition. Many of these shells have disolved and become smaller with time but a lot of memories are stirred whenever a merger is even proposed because of past issues. Besides, I really do not see the current higher ups of one LS relinquishing their leadership in order to merge on Ifrit period at the moment. I've seen Linkshells come together for Sea raids and dynamis from time to time but for the most part my point is many servers only have 2-3 HNM shell dominance consisting of many whereas Ifrit has several HNM shells consisting of few.

well put supa

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Wyrms are only good for the kill. Tiamat is ok for gaiters, but they are a waste of time for the most part. Ifrit people just don't waste their time. Everyone and their mother is at Fafnir now. 3Kings seem the big thing, just the same old LSes killing usually.

I wouldn't say we in the steonage as bad as it looks. Alot of hostilities inbetween shells tho. Alot of old grudges from MPKs and shit I think.

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