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Football requires WAY more concentration, planning, and "thinking" than baseball does.


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maybe by the coaches, but not by the actual players.


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maybe by the coaches, but not by the actual players.


QBs have to study tendencies lol... so do Middle Linebackers. Those two positions have the ability to change the play at the line of scrimmage to adjust to the opponents formation. They do audibles. Defensive backs have to study the specific head fakes and "tells" that receivers give to deceive them to throw them off their route (faking a slant route and doing a fade). NFL players watch anywhere between 3-8 hours of game tape on their opponents between each game. Offensive linemen need to be wary of the line stunts and twists the Defensive linemen use and the blitz timing and angle of the DBs and LBs. Does the OLB twitch his fingers if he is going to blitz? Will he crowd the line of scrimmage to make me think blitz only to drop back in pass coverage? These are just examples of the types of things are studied. The Defense needs to know which offensive linemen hold the most, or which ones do cut blocks that will destroy their knees. Do their guards pull? What kind of blocking scheme do they use on running plays and how do they pass protect are all factors. There is alot to football actually. The coaches inform the players on what to study individually, but the players have to plan themselves on what they will do in the actual game.

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Football or baseball, Stones or Beatles, Hot Dogs or Hamburgers

everyone has their stronger preference!

...waits for the George Carlin Football/ baseball speech!


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Thunderstomp wrote:
maybe by the coaches, but not by the actual players.


It takes alot of coordination to play football. Trust me, I have played alot of football and baseball and there's way more to football in regards to coordination. Alot of plays and variations on plays and shit to remember.


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all this football talk made me take a big shit in tribute to football, and my turd amazingly resembled a football.

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Ponuh wrote:
Thunderstomp wrote:
maybe by the coaches, but not by the actual players.


It takes alot of coordination to play football. Trust me, I have played alot of football and baseball and there's way more to football in regards to coordination. Alot of plays and variations on plays and shit to remember.


coordination and memorization doesn't require much intelligence.


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maybe by the coaches, but not by the actual players.


It takes alot of coordination to play football. Trust me, I have played alot of football and baseball and there's way more to football in regards to coordination. Alot of plays and variations on plays and shit to remember.


coordination and memorization doesn't require much intelligence.


Neither does swinging a bat. Executing a play really well is much more difficult than trying to hit a piece of leather with a stick and then simply running to a predestined spot.


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Hitting is not just swinging a bat.

Hitters have to adjust themselves to every single pitch. They have to have a certain amount of anticipation over what pitch is coming, whether it's a fastball (2-seam, 4-seam, cutter, etc.), curve ball, changeup, slider, splitter, circle-change, slurve, etc., and also where in the strike-zone the next pitch is likely going to be. Players must factor in the ball/strike count, tendencies of a certain pitcher, what runners are on base, how the defense is aligned, what type of hit does the situation call for, and so on.

In football the coaches decide every upcoming play, and the players just have to worry about practicing the play over and over until they get it right, and using brute strength and speed and coordination to excecute it well. In baseball the best hitters are the ones who make thoughtful adjustments and anticipations of every pitch, which they are largely left on their own to do. Coaches help them learn this, but during the game, while a hitter is in the batter's box, he is pretty much alone to decide things for himself. That's what I love about baseball, it's the triumph of the individual.


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A cover corner and a wide receiver are sometimes one on one matchups. Football is the ultimate team sport in my opinion. Players do watch tape on eachother before games to study the weaknesses of their opponent and plan accordingly. QBs and MLBs are coaches on the field usually for the offense and defense (playcallers).

If I want a great sport for one on one competition I will watch Boxing, Mixed Martial Arts, Tennis, or anything else that is really an individual sport. Those are all far more entertaining than the snoozefest that is baseball. MLB has a shitload of changes to make if they want baseball to ever regain its position as the most popular sport in the US.

I wanted to puke at all of the diving in the last World Cup. I have seen it happen in previous WCs, but it was just so horrible this time around. Bunch of pussies falling on the ground and acting like they are hurt so they can draw a penalty. It sucks because I used to play soccer when I was a kid, the sport just is not entertaining to watch in the least on TV. I played Football and Baseball too, but I enjoyed Soccer more to actually play. The game just sucks ass as a spectator sport.

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All this talk makes me wish he did it right and shot himself in the head. What a pussy.


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All sports = Fun to play but boring as hell to watch... at least for me

Played them all and my dad's a football coach of about 40 years and honestly I think all the games are dragged out too long but after playing them I can understand why to some extent. When you're playing the game, that playclock seems to count down super fast, and when you're just watching that isn't the case. You can't just run onto the field in football and expect to play well by just knowing how to tackle or throw the ball or catch, etc. You have to know your coverages, blocking assignments, formations, etc.

For instance, a QB not only has to know what the play is, he has to know what each recievers route is, is it a 3, 5, or 7 step drop, what coverage are the DB's in, are the LB's blitzing, where is the first down marker? It gets even more complex than that when time is a factor. On the defensive side it is nearly the same. Say you're a MLB you have 1-3 read steps depending on pass or run, if run you have to attck the right gap or the RB will be able to completely forget about you at all and you'll have basically removed yourself from the play, if it's to the outside you have to persue. If the play is a pass, are you on coverage or rush, then you have to decifer what kind of coverage or rush to perform. First off there is the speed blitz which is just getting to the QB as fast as possible then there is the delayed blitz which is for a 7 step drop where you wait for the gaps to open and fire into them until then you're on a weak zone coverage. As for coverage you have to know whether you're on man-to-man or zone. If zone what area of the field? If man-to-man which reciever, this can actually be confusing as a LB because they are usually put on coverage of TE's and RB's and if your read is wrong someone is open.

As for baseball, I only played it in high school for 2 years but hitting a baseball going 70-80 mph is hard enough, one travelling 90+ and curving? I have to say the game is dragged out way too long for my taste, take the televised games, you see a pitch, then it shows a scan of the crowd, the bullpin, the coaches, the manager, the stadium, a few close-ups of fans, then the next pitch... I know pitching takes a lot more out of a person than most think, but maybe pitching complete games just shouldn't be realistic, waiting 30-60 seconds is just far too long. Plus the whole Yankees with their 5 billion dollar team or whatever makes me angry. As for shortening it, I don't know, maybe take a note from the NBA and get a pitch clock or something, probably also need to limit time outs as well.

Professional sports suck anyway, college sports are where it's at, seems that college atheletics have more passion when they play, hell I can even watch the NCAA Final Four and I hate watching basketball, but it's my favorite sport to play.

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I really have nothing to say on this topic.

I just wanted to give a shout out to my home boy Shily.

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All this talk makes me wish he did it right and shot himself in the head. What a pussy.


lol

I do have a severe dislike for TO... I think he needs a Time Out, f---ing cryass...

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I really have nothing to say on this topic.

I just wanted to give a shout out to my home boy Shily.


Shout back to ya!

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You can't just run onto the field in football and expect to play well by just knowing how to tackle or throw the ball or catch, etc. You have to know your coverages, blocking assignments, formations, etc.

For instance, a QB not only has to know what the play is, he has to know what each recievers route is, is it a 3, 5, or 7 step drop, what coverage are the DB's in, are the LB's blitzing, where is the first down marker? It gets even more complex than that when time is a factor. On the defensive side it is nearly the same. Say you're a MLB you have 1-3 read steps depending on pass or run, if run you have to attck the right gap or the RB will be able to completely forget about you at all and you'll have basically removed yourself from the play, if it's to the outside you have to persue. If the play is a pass, are you on coverage or rush, then you have to decifer what kind of coverage or rush to perform. First off there is the speed blitz which is just getting to the QB as fast as possible then there is the delayed blitz which is for a 7 step drop where you wait for the gaps to open and fire into them until then you're on a weak zone coverage. As for coverage you have to know whether you're on man-to-man or zone. If zone what area of the field? If man-to-man which reciever, this can actually be confusing as a LB because they are usually put on coverage of TE's and RB's and if your read is wrong someone is open.


Why I love football.
When you watch it, there are 22 guys you can be looking at to see what each is doing and try to see the play as it's happening, and before it happens. My favorite thing to watch in a football game is the line because if you can understand the line, you can understand why everything is happening the way it is happening.

I love the hybrid positions in football like Tight end, fullback, and strong safety. You can have TE/FB solely for blocking, or you can have them as pass receivers. You can have a fullback who just charges through for the 3rd down and short conversion or use him as a regular receiver, or a potential full-time running back. Tight end is just a great position to watch because the guy is lineman/backer size yet he's running around with the ball. lol A good and versatile tight end can add a level of power and control to a team unlike most other positions IMO(as we saw when eljae smith walked all over the giants in week 2 with something like 100 yards in philly's excellent first half). Then there's strong safety which admittedly is usually just a support coverage guy, but take for example a player like Adam Archuleta (at least in his time with the rams) he served almost solely as a pass rusher/run stopper, and a zone dominator with his hard hitting and solo open field tackle skill. He was basically a small linebacker with tremendous speed and an extra running start, while maintaining the strength to bowl over offensive linemen on his way to the qb/rb.

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I thought you guys were all video game dorks, wtf is with all this sports discussion. you bring shame to nerds everywhere.

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