Any thoughts/discussions on this new plan to send more to Iraq?

In my happy bubble I thought this would have something to do with the sendme upload thing.

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hope it works
gotta win this thing

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Wait.. what?

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Ponuh please bitch slap Tomake

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I would but I'm not sure if he's being sarcastic or not. Let's just hope it's sarcasm.

Now all Iran has to do is Nuke Iraq and BOOM!

there goes a good 20% of US military >.<

What? not being sarcastic...
why would we want to lose?

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Tomake I'm not entirely sure how you're still in that state of mind but it's now extremely common knowledge that this engagement cannot be won. What have you been doing, closing your eyes, covering your ears and making sure no new information has been disseminated to you? I don't think it's even acceptable to have that kind of mindset anymore, and this time 70+% of the country agrees.

Um yeah its not going well and we are losing, but we havent lost yet, I'll say we've lost when American Troops are withdrawn and IRaq is in the current state as it is....Im wondering why you think its so impossible

70% of the people say we are losing, not lost yet

If I knew the iraq war would be going as bad as it is right now I wouldnt have been supportive...But America Is trying to do a good thing there and I still support the mission. Some people hate George BUsh so much they want The US to lose there...and I think George BUsh hate blinds people from really thinking about what the costs are in this

if we lose in iraq it would be very bad for us in the long run, while a stable democratic Iraq would be a great ally in the region and an ally against terrorism... why not have some hope, even if it is a false hope?

damn double post

Oh God, you poor child. That post is the regurgitation of past pieces of failed Executive rhetoric jumbled around and slopped out in a strange homage to the glory days of the Bush administration's Iraq policy.

We destroyed their infrastructure. We absolutely abolished the already feeble beams of support holding the country up. Yes, we dismantled the Baathist regime, but Iraq lacked, and certainly still does lack the strong socio-economic stability to allow for popular rule. Most people realize enough to know that the infrastructure in Iraq cannot hold without a centralized government. And we give them a parliamentary democracy? Western chauvinism and ignorance.

And while your empathy for the Iraqi people is certainly respectable, you must realize that America was NOT attempting to "do something good". There were many reasons to go into Iraq, and very few of them could be described as even remotely well-intentioned.

It's the sad truth that after we crippled their infrastructure in the invasion, Iraq was doomed to civil war and social strife as soon as we had had enough. People were saying this before, during, and after "major combat," but it was not in the mainstream. It was anticipated that a fedayin insurgency and sectarian violence would engulf the country. Now finally, the anti-war mindset is in the mainstream, so I find it unacceptable for any decently informed person to still be hanging on to long abandoned Bush rhetoric. It isn't our fault Iraq is destined to become the most dangerous region in the world, it's his. The "mission" was never something that could be won.

yeah its too bad we went in...but we can try one last chance to make it work

you probably cried to yourself or something while writing that, when you really have no power to change anything and You and I can do is hope that it starts getting better and troops come home sooner than later

don't worry...be happy...stop crying

Wow excellent point--I see you employed subtle modus ponens to suggest I'm a crybaby, and not someone who insulted your intelligence. Great job, haha.

I mean not that you are a crybaby, but you write this long drawn out thing of everything thats wrong with the war, and extreme anti war people get so cought up in anti-bush/anti-war thinking that it consumes them but it doesnt even matter right now because we Are in this thing now and we dont have any control over what bush does...so all we citizens can do is really support our troops and hope for the best...


GUYS PONUH IS SO SMART HE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THE REASONS WHY THE WAR IS WRONG AND MADE ME LOOK LIKE A COMPLETE IDIOT BECAUSE I HOPE THE US WINS AND HE EVEN USES COOL LATIN PHRASES. I AM SO STUPID BECAUSE I WANT THE USA TO BE SUCCESSFUL LOL!!!

Actually I think I wrote what I thought about the war, but it wasn't like some fucking scathing passionate thing. I just wrote the common facts that over 70 percent of Americans not only understand but accept. You however represent the average apathetic American who thinks he knows enough to try and push his stupid ass opinions forward but doesn't care enough to actually educate himself to the truth of the matter.

But you're always first with news regarding the gaming industry. How fucking stupid am I? You've definitely got your priorities straight! You can't change anything in this world so you'd better just keep refreshing Gamespot until news about that new Soul Caliber game is released huh?!

edit: anyways gonna sleep gals gotta have her beauty sleep yeah huh tell me about it!!!

heh, its quite the opposite...i am what u call a news hawk... its all i have on all day i mean you can ask me a question about any current event and i can give you the basic deal on it....but u are right about the gamespot thing ;p

Id say i really am one of the most informed people as people my age could really be informed.... and i really do know about everything that has happened in this war and what goes on a daily basis in Iraq... Im not blind to the violence and bloodshed thats occuring, i know all of the terrible decisions that were made by bush and whoever (oh yeah democrats voted to let bush do this thing too...). Believe me I know What is going on in that country and have for the last 4 frickin years. Again my main point is just because i want the US to win (even if it is impossible as you say) means I'm stupid? I'm not some right-wing-can't-think-for-himself-war-hawk-nazi, I don't want these 3000+ Lives that have been killed to be in vein. I think and am Hoping and praying that Bush's new push will help things out as much as it can, because it is happening and complaining and whining will just depress me and bring everyone else around me. I am just a happy go lucky guy that hopes for the best even though i can clearly see the strife and struggling that goes on around in the world. All i said was that I essientially hope we win this in my first reply to this thread, and then I am branded as an idiot by everyone.

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If you actually want to think about Bush's strategery (lol) here is a good read from Joe lieberman and lindsay graham that explains how a troop increase might work... or you could just watch Bush's speech instead ju

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/re ... ?id=267302

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I think it's utter crap we are there in the first place and I dont agree with putting more troops in Iraq but really it's all we can do. We dug a whole for ourselves and we cant climb out right now. That region wasnt stable to say the least but what we did now is fuck it up even more. If we pull out now, and I hate to say it, the door is going to smack us hard in the ass on the way out. Really I dont see this going well either way for the US but with more troops there we may have a very slight chance of pulling some miracle shit outta nowhere or at least prolonging it till something else happens.

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Bush is a failure.

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Depends on your definition of winning lol. For some just killing more of the enemy than they kill of your troops is winning. The main objective for Bush though was to liberate Iraq, instead there is a fractioned state of anarchy. That isn't a winnable main objective... Iraq will have to be partitioned into pieces and even those smaller states will war with eachother over land. I think Iraq wasn't even a nation until Britain allowed them to be in 1927.

Oh yeah and of course Bush is a failure, he got into a war that wasn't necessary at all. Finding Bin Laden was supposedly the main objective post 9/11 and he didn't even get that right. Not that killing just Osama does anything permanent. He will just become a martyr and another leader will step into his place. Something incredibly brutal and ruthless would have to be done to end the Islamic extremist threat in the Middle East, and our people lack the will to do that. Of course that would just lead to more war, which is inevitable in the first place.

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Or maybe try a different approach to kill them before they kill us? Listen perhaps to the people who support extremism, if their money runs dry they will go away quicker than you can shoot them.

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That is why people are focused on developing alternative energy sources. If we don't use oil, then majority of Middle Eastern countries have a giant loss of cash flow. While we develop said technology the terrorist attacks will continue.

Can we develop viable alternatives to oil before the nations that support extremists gain access to nuclear weapons? See even then I bet Iran has nukes before we all have cars running on something other than gasoline. If Iran allows Hezbollah (spelling?) to have access to said nukes, then we have a huge problem. Even then they will find alternative ways to fund extremists, not because they adapt well but because they will have to.

We do need alternative energy sources, not just to stop funding extremists as oil isn't renewable. Taking away our reliance on oil is just a temporary measure to curtail Islamic extremism. They will eventually regroup and go back to doing the same terrorist acts as usual.

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we have a shitload of alternative energy resources but the us doesn't want to make them public or put any cost into them because we're essentially trying to become one big giant corporation built under oil money.

they have the technology now to make fully functional battery operated vehicles and synthetic types of gasoline (ie. corn oil, natural gas) but I've heard that oil companies sue or put pressure on synthetic gasoline and electrical car manufacturers so the technology is relatively unknown or used.

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They aren't efficient enough and effective enough yet to replace gasoline fueled cars. France spends the most money on alternative energy sources, yet they still use diesel gasoline fueled cars. Thats what the masses can afford... the masses can't afford to buy a car that runs on just electricity. Hybrid cars are just a temporary band-aid as they still use gasoline just not as much. Hydrogen fuel cells are still way too fucking big to be a realistic solution. We can still put funding back into nuclear, solar, natural gas and other means of electric power. We consume the most oil through automobiles.... it will be a while until the masses buy up non-gas powered cars. The time that takes will be more than enough time for Iran and possibly other nations to develop nukes.

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