I agree completely

It's a very sad situation and I've kept myself ignoring it for a very long time because there's no good way to make it any less miserable.

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I hope they leave soon. They're wasting lives on something that won't be appreciated.

nice pic dead

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d('-'*) Started season 4 dvd yesterday. Season 5 is stuck in atlanta, gonna tape the first parts of season 6.

Season 4 is trash.

My theory is on order to "win" Iraq over we would need to occupy that country for 2-3 generations until parlimentary democracy is all those people know how to live by, but this would bankrupt us. This over-spending (of which we are already doing) may even cause a lot of instability in our own country. My thinking of rational logical thought is those people have been ruled by fear for so long and it is such a big and diverse area of basically 3 diverse extremist views one would almost have to divide it up into different countries in order to get much of anything known as progress. But we will all wait and see.

Partitioning may actually be a solution but it's a piece of logistics far beyond what the U.S. has proven itself capable of

Thats probably the smartest idea. We did something like that before, you know like after world war 2, I don't know what can help these people. I'd say a good slice of jesus, but that won't work either. A slice of alla?

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Are you referring to the partitioning of Berlin/Germany? If that's the case it's a slightly different thing happening there and it certainly didn't end up having good consequences lol.

Yea even after the break of the berlin wall, the country still suffers from its division.

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Personally I think that Germany is easily the most forward-thinking country in the world, now. I'd love to live in Munich or Berlin more than any other place in Europe.

if i knew enough german, i would like to experience their school system

i'd love to take my gsxr out there

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Not in the Berlin way of a East Iraq/West Iraq etc. but I'd definitely advise somehow that the world, U.S., U.N. etc. support that a country split itself up into smaller countries (or at least state/province type) because all those kids just don't play fair together when stuck in the same sandbox. Berlin didn't work because thier country was walled up where people couldn't venture into each area willfully. It would work in Iraq's case because a lot of those people want to be with their own. However, territorial disputes and land/religious interest would probably come into play and a new squabble would probably break out as to which sect gets to live where. Damn after thinking about it, I'm not sure if any real solution can be attained other than a basic ignorant yet comedic thought of "wipe them all out, make it a US territory, and vacation spot for the oil-rich since we did fight for it."

Yes, partitioning would require zones for all Shiites Sunnis and Kurds and would require massive population redistribution. It isn't logistically possible I don't think. I might be wrong.

Yeah I wrote this earlier in the thread. Even though they are seperated into different nations, those nations will just war lol. That and Iran will go in and fuck the partitioned former Iraqi states up probably. Partitioning Iraq sounds good and all, but it is idealist and not realistic at all.

If we just left Iraq, the 3 main groups would just keep killing eachother. Thats fine with me actually, but too many Americans would feel bad if that happens it seems. Maybe Iran would go in there and kill off some more Iraqis and gain control of the area. Bleh, there aren't really any good options imo.

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They would war over the oil-rich areas and Medina of course if you split it up into Sunni, Shiite and Kurd nations. They all fucking hate eachother pretty much. Divided into 3 independent nations, they would all fall one by one to an Iranian invasion.

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I wonder if the democrat led congress will be able to cockblock this proposal. I read in several places congress planned to vote against this surge. I don't read much into it, because like I said in a previous thread it just pisses me off. Is that vote going to happen? Or did it happen? It sounds like this troop increase is happening no matter what. I also see that other countries are lowering their troop levels now, and neighboring countrys Iran and Syria are worried this buildup is possibly to bring some war onto their territory. I don't see our constant threats and accusations to Iran and Syria helping us out any. I don't know what the fuck to believe anymore. I know I will not believe any accusation from Bush. He has proven himself to be full of shit already...he's completely lost my trust.

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Bush is the Commander-in-Chief. Even the Enumerated Powers Clause can't allow them to intervene with wartime efforts. Though maybe there are some domestic channels Bush has to go through in order to get more troops. If that's the case, then yes, Congress could probably attempt to block the surge.