I would put a poll up but it's too much work. I know we're still far from it but it's time we iniciated some juicy debates and discussions about this.

I personally am rulling out Clinton and Osama, i mean Obama.
I doubt Mr. Global Warming will get anything.
I don't think it'll be a Democratic win, but according to the pattern it should:


I'm thinking John Edwards or Rudy Giuliani as of now.

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I completely disagree, In my opinion republicans don't have much a chance at winning this election, though its still abit early to say for sure.

And as I think it was Biden who said in the democratic debate " It would be a big mistake for any republican to wish for a Hillary nomination "

Meaning it is very foolish to underestimate her, as well as obama for that matter. And both those 2 happen to be the democratic front runners, and IMO its going to be one of the 2 that wins the election in 08.

As for republicans, giuliani is popular but I'm surprised at how much popularity ron paul is gaining, though hes a republican and I doubt would get the repub nomination, let alone win the election

also I love mike gravel, rotfl hes facking hilarious. He reminds me of an old cranky grandpa. No chance of winnning, but hes a funny dude lol

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I love Gravel. He's hilarious but sadly has no chance whatsoever. Right now, I think Gore has the best shot for the Dems, and probably McCain for the Republicans, but again, it's all about perception. McCain is perceived to be moderate, even though he's moved himself out to the extreme right lately. Same with Hillary. She's perceived to be extreme left, even though she's more moderate. Gravel has said things that the American public are not quite ready to accept yet, even though he's right. I think the same is true with Ron Paul. They need massive media attention and a strong grassroots canvassing to even stand a shot. Some people have still never heard of them.

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I agree with llew, Its a shame that gravel and paul get ridiculed for speaking the truth. Like in the republican debate, Paul said that to some extent we might have invited the terrorirst attacks simply because we were over there on their soil, can't remember exactly what he said but it was something to do with holy lands, ect ect point is we were over there , un-wanted, first, and that might have caused to *some* extent the 911 attacks. Wich makes sense, and is most likely true. But, paul was basically humiliated by giuliani for saying this, and giuliani went as far as to demand an apology from paul for saying this, in the middle of the debate. . .

I think it was just a stunt from giuliani to gain popularity and I think it was disrespectful of him, I think he should of respected paul's opinion even if he didn't agree with it.

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Not going to jump in because this is shit politics.

They're all assholes. I'd vote for Gravel. But I'd also vote for any democrat at this point.

Last post, I swear:

You need to stay up to date on politics because there have been several events since then that have changed the nature of that comment. Seriously.

Front Runners for the Republicans are McCain and Guilliani, and I think it we come between them. Both will give the democrats a real good race for the White House. Demo is going to be Obama, and I don't see anyone stealing it from it. Hillary has no chane and thats because the vote is going to come down to our generation.

We will be the ones deciding who will win the White House mainly because canidates are really starting to target our generation in many ways.

To what I think, I think it will come down to Obama and McCain, Guilliani will faulter down the road as he is a pretty strong conservative. I think what we need as a nation right now is a Moderate and that would fit McCain and Obama. I think in the long run Obama will squeak out mainly because McCain is still a strong believer in the war in Iraq (which I still support), but I will most likely vote for Obama mainly because I like his viewpoints in polotics and his ideology. I think he would be able to unite many groups on mainy grounds and help racial tensions.

He can be the success story and a great mentor for black children. He has spoken against many inner city African Americans by calling them lazy (can't remember if it was his wife or him) but its what was needed to be said, because many still live off wellfair checks.

And to Kioto, seriously the osama/obama jokes are pretty mundane due to the point that Barrak Obama isn't Muslim...he's a damn christian, so I don't see how those even tie together....OMG his last name vaugely looks like Osama....OMG he must be linked..........

I am w/ Ponuh though, I think most people that talk about Politics most times have no fucking idea what they are even talking about, and don't know shit. They watch a Debate and is like...WoW that No Name really knows what he is talking about...ever think that maybe, just maybe he is saying that to buy votes but really doesn't mean it.

I mean hell look at Kerry, the dude was saying all this crap, yet w/ everything he said, is exactly what he wasn't doing when he was voting. Before the last presidential Election, Kerry went against everything he voted for. He was a strong supporter for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act and all with many other things. But when it came to "buy" votes he said what the American Public wanted to hear.

Thats what this entire election is going to be, who can say the most what people want to hear. If you want true and honest information, your going to have to research it and look at each canadiates voting trend to see if what they are really saying is true. And I feel thats what its going to come down to.

Edit: And to anyone who is going to vote on a Canadiate because they say they are going to take our Soldiers out of Iraq, go and lock yourself in a bedroom and save everyone else by not voting. We as a Country will still be in Iraq if Hillary or Obama or Edwards gets President, we won't be leaving Iraq for another 5-6 years, and I will swear to that.

Macabre, if you're going to mention the fact that senators have to live with their voting records--let me remind you that several years ago I argued with you about the war on the old FS forums. You were a vehement supporter and I haven't forgotten that.

And I still am, yes things there have gone to a shit storm, but what we see and hear is what the media wants to show and tell us.

Talk to soldiers that ahve served over there and you will hear a different story.

My neighbor recently hit E-9 rank in the Air Force and had to go back over and do a 6 month tour of duty. He is a civil engineer and spent a lot of time helping reconstroct 3 schools and a water plant. All 4 things made to better standards then during Sadaams rule. Yup, can you believe it, things over there are actually working, but when did you ever hear about that in the news? Can you believe they have remade hundreds of schools and civil utilites?

I tell this to anyone that wants to debate over the war, and thats it took the United States of America 11 years to figure out a doctorine that we would later call our Constituion, Democracy doesn't happen over night or a few years, but over a decade.

And yes, Ponuh I do remember our debate, FS boards had some great debates over politics

P.S. FUCK FRED PHELPS...said to have to know he is from Kansas

Such as? I'm not quire sure what you mean or who you are talking about. Changed the nature of giuliani's comment or paul's? And I have been staying up to date with politics, the best I can, and I've not seen any mention of that incedent since a day or two after it happened

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Paul first went all over cable news making a firey shitstorm over Giuliani's fearmongering and demanded an apology. He then hired an ex-intel guy to support his case and THEN he held a press conference that he said was to "educate Rudy Giuliani". So basically Paul took Giuliani's attempt at fearmongering (which everyone knows is a cornerstone of his campaign strategy) and amateurishly made a huge stink about it. You're not supposed to try and reeducate and change voters' opinions, you're supposed to give them what they already want to hear.

Paul annoys me, like all libertarians do. Libertarians are almost exclusively rich and naive (college students apply as well because college is a bubble of welfare and not actually poor). Cutting keystones of government like the Department of Education, Energy, the IRS, FEMA is such a backwards ideology because really those departments are so inefficient because they're all staffed with staff from a president's campaign and generally people who have no idea what they're doing. But most libertarians want to cut 70% of the government not because of real, factual evidence but because of a philosophy that isn't grounded in reality at all: The government that governs best is the government that governs least.

Not to mention libertarians generally oppose globalization (which is an inevitability) which is funny because many of them are also avowed free marketers I guess they just think that only applies to the US? And what about the Fed? Would you cut that, Ron Paul? What about the FDA? Or the FBI? CIA? MILITARY? All of those agencies that are governing far too much for your tastes? Oh fuck libertarians

Oh I didn't know paul had done those things after the remarks from giuliani, but still regardless of paul, I was really disgusted by giuliani's fearmongering. It just makes him look so unprofessional, like a bully somewhat. Definitly hope he doesn't win, america doesn't need that type of person in office

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what's wrong with politics is how much hate there is across party lines. picture hordes of young ponuhs, hating blindly and growing up to be bitter, uneducated and confused politicians pointing fingers from every party fence. it's the past, present, and probably the future.

anyway i haven't decided who i favor or who i predict for '08, but here are the topics that will shape my decision:
1. Education funding, including stem cell research
2. Separation of church and state
3. The most convincing plan for capture of Osama and removal of troops from Middle East without damaging regional stability
4. Repair of global reputation

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I don't have a party though

Nicely put, Whisp. I agree with you on that front and it's the same with Canadian politics. Those who are uneducated about politics (even in the most basic sense) have no direct right to be bitches about politics. It's like when someone says "I hate voting, nothing ever gets done for me". You have no right to complain if you don't look into the candidates and especially if you don't vote. The end result is misinformed Canadians and politicians who do nothing but yell, scream and squander money from the national finances.

The big push in elections here is the youth vote (ages 18-25). Is this the same in the US? Young people just aren't voting in Canada so there are huge campaigns for it when elections come around (provincial or federal).

We have a grade 9 course in the high schools that deals a lot with Canadian politics and voter rights, etc. to try and educate young people, before the voting age, to be smart about voting and to realize what a privilige it is to have the right to vote.

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Not this time, nancy-boy!

i never got into politics, seems to argumentatitive for me, if thats even a word.

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I don't even care anymore. The more I care about this stuff the more angry I get. Ignorance is bliss.

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Yup.

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hope I'm wrong.

you're kind of a moron if you think that voting isn't worth it because the candidates are both the same (douche or turd). If you can't see past the fact that yes, both of them are rich, white, christian Yale graduates and recognize differences between their politics then you're a retard. Privatizing social security with one, implementing expensive universal health care with another. Candidates have real differences that affect the short and long term.

am i the only one (besides ponuh apparently) on the internet that doesn't have ron paul's nuts in my mouth





stole that line from bf2 forums but i agree with it

I hate politics, its almost as corrupt as religion.

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I didn't vote in 2004 because we had 1 voting station in Tempe for 100,000+ people. At least we only had 1 near campus, and so the wait to vote was like 5 hours. I got in line at like 3 or 4 or something and they cut me off becuase I wouldn't get to vote until after the polls were closed. Pretty awesome.