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I've heard some crazy bill got signed that if a national emergency happened, the president can reserve all powers to himself in the executive branch and thus claim martial law / dictorial powers / etc. Now that's kinda scary.


... and very familiar, yay, just need to wait for the fire at reichstag.

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No that's bullshit. There's no bill that lets a president claim dictatorship


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National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51; Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20.

Is this article bullshit or mainly extreme left redeciphered & twisted propaganda? Sorry I don't have the time to research it and I just read the articles and I'm not a lawyer so no one has explained the actual directive to me in layman's terms / plain engrish.


source: http://artvoice.com/issues/v6n22/if_onl ... ctatorship

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Nobody has ever accused George W. Bush of not being good for a few laughs. Unfortunately his humor is inadvertent, with W spewing what have become known as “Bushisms.” It’s when he tries to be funny that our jaws drop in horror. Like when he was the Governator of Texas and he mocked death row inmate Karla Faye Tucker as she pleaded for clemency: “Please don’t kill me,” he whined in a falsetto voice festooned with an ersatz Texas drawl.

Then there was his performance in front of the national press corps in Washington in March 2004 after his invented rationale for the invasion of Iraq—those supposed weapons of mass destruction—was debunked by reality. Tens of thousands of deaths into the war, he bumbled about his podium, joking, “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere.” The invertebrate press for the most part roared in laughter, reporting the next day on W’s good humor.

Bush’s sick sense of White House humor certainly isn’t unique. Probably the most dangerous blooper came from Ronald Reagan in 1984 when he “inadvertently” told a national radio audience, “My fellow Americans, I’m pleased to tell you today that I’ve signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.” The Soviets responded by lighting the fuse on nuclear Armageddon, dousing it only after the KGB reminded the Kremlin that Reagan was daft and prone to occasional moronic outbursts and that there was no indication that the US launched the first strike it always boasted it was capable of.

George W’s most alarming “joke” came in 2000, before he was inaugurated but right after Al Gore spinelessly conceded the presidency following (as we know now) winning the popular vote nationally as well as in the contested state of Florida. At the time Bush joked that “If this was a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I was the dictator.” Given the context, one could only assume that “it” refers to stealing elections, though Bush supporters assured me at the time that “it” just meant “it.” You know, like “Gotta have ‘it,’” or “Did you get ‘it’?”

George W wasn’t joking, however, spending his first six years squatting at the White House with a rubber-stamp Congress and a corrupted judiciary supporting—or at least ignoring—his every move. Whatever laws were passed he exempted himself from with signing statements and the self-assurance that he could break any law with impunity.

Now, with a nominally opposing party theoretically controlling the House and Senate, and with his popularity falling to an all-time low (though still alarmingly high at 30 percent) the threads of dictatorship seem to be unraveling. Hence, on May 9, he unilaterally issued a National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51; Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20).

Previous presidents issued similar directives aimed at maintaining governmental continuity in the event of a major catastrophe such as a nuclear attack on Washington or all-out nuclear warfare with the folks we were supposed to “begin bombing in five minutes.” This directive is different, however, in that it is being issued by a White House that has already shown its disdain for our constitutionally protected rights and way of government. And it’s a White House, which, if democracy were left alone to function properly, could find most of its cabinet and leadership under criminal indictment in the not too distant future.

The directive allows George W. Bush to appoint a National Continuity Coordinator whose office would direct National Emergency Functions (NEFs) of the federal government while providing “guidance” for all federal, state, local, territorial and tribal governments in the event of a catastrophic emergency. The directive defines “catastrophic emergency” as “Any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.”

Get it? A stock market crash or a severe burst in the housing bubble could constitute a catastrophic emergency and the appointment of a “coordinator” with power to oversee the maintenance of “continuity,” or whatever they perceive the status quo to be. A hurricane, wildfire, or election day civic unrest could be cause to trigger a Code Paisley new order.

Bush’s National Continuity Plan specifically revokes “Presidential Decision Directive 67 of October 21, 1998 (Enduring Constitutional Government and Continuity of Government Operations) issued by the Clinton White House. It’s impossible to say exactly what the differences are, since the Clinton-era plan is classified. What is public knowledge, however, is that the previous plans put the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), and not the President, in charge of implementing the emergency plan. And I would suspect that the previous plan didn’t have such a wide open definition of what constitutes a “catastrophic emergency.”

Of course, in our post-Katrina world, we don’t have much respect or trust in FEMA. Yet it’s the White House that ultimately destroyed FEMA by packing it with incompetent political cronies and using the Gulf Coast disaster as an excuse to bust public employee unions and privatize public services, giving contracts to politically connected corporations. Where FEMA is incompetent and corrupted, the White House has proven itself incompetent and corrupting.

The White House plan pays plenty of lip service to the Constitution, referring to it 10 times while promising to protect our constitutional form of government. Hence, the document itself is not all that alarming on a first read. It’s when you put it into context that things change. The Bush administration callously throws around words like “liberation” when their intent is just the opposite. They promise to protect things like our national security and economy when their actions undermine both our economic well being and our security. They claim to want peace when they’re planning for war, and announce “mission accomplished” as their wars are just getting under way. They claim to oppose torture when they’re spreading it across the globe. They claim to oppose weapons of mass destruction when they’re expanding our useless nuclear arsenal. They claim to oppose Iran when their actions politically support Iran and they claim to support democracy when their actions undermine it around the world.

The junta occupying the White House has a proven track record of undermining or destroying that which they rhetorically claim to support. That’s because the American people value things like peace, human rights, fair play, democracy and freedom, while opposing things like torture and the pillage of other people’s resources. And we also value our constitution. Following the Bush administration’s formula, it’s no surprise that a bill to consolidate “emergency powers” in the White House would be draped in language paying lip service to the constitution. Everyone knows to pack toilet paper in their emergency kit.

Dr. Michael I. Niman’s previous Artvoice columns are available at http://www.artvoice.com, archived at http://www.mediastudy.com and distributed globally through syndication.


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source: http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx051807

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Bush Anoints Himself as the Insurer of Constitutional Government in Emergency
May 18, 2007 By Matthew Rothschild
With scarcely a mention in the mainstream media, President Bush has ordered up a plan for responding to a catastrophic attack.

In a new National Security Presidential Directive, Bush lays out his plans for dealing with a “catastrophic emergency.”
Under that plan, he entrusts himself with leading the entire federal government, not just the Executive Branch. And he gives himself the responsibility “for ensuring constitutional government.”

He laid this all out in a document entitled "National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51" and "Homeland Security Presidential Directive/HSPD-20."

The White House released it on May 9.

Other than a discussion on Daily Kos led off by a posting by Leo Fender, and a pro-forma notice in a couple of mainstream newspapers, this document has gone unremarked upon.

The subject of the document is entitled “National Continuity Policy.”

It defines a “catastrophic emergency” as “any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government function.”

This could mean another 9/11, or another Katrina, or a major earthquake in California, I imagine, since it says it would include “localized acts of nature, accidents, and technological or attack-related emergencies.”

The document emphasizes the need to ensure “the continued function of our form of government under the Constitution, including the functioning of the three separate branches of government,” it states.

But it says flat out: “The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government.”

The document waves at the need to work closely with the other two branches, saying there will be “a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government.” But this effort will be “coordinated by the President, as a matter of comity with respect to the legislative and judicial branches and with proper respect for the constitutional separation of powers.”

Among the efforts coordinated by the President would be ensuring the capability of the three branches of government to “provide for orderly succession” and “appropriate transition of leadership.”

The document designates a National Continuity Coordinator, who would be the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism.

Currently holding that post is Frances Fragos Townsend.

She is required to develop a National Continuity Implementation Plan and submit it within 90 days.

As part of that plan, she is not only to devise procedures for the Executive Branch but also give guidance to “state, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector owners and operators of critical infrastructure.”

The secretary of Homeland Security is also directed to develop planning guidance for “private sector critical infrastructure owners and operators,” as well as state, local, territorial, and tribal governments.

The document gives the Vice President a role in implementing the provisions of the contingency plans.

“This directive shall be implanted in a manner that is consistent with, and facilitates effective implementation of, provisions of the Constitution concerning succession to the Presidency or the exercise of its powers, and the Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (3 USC 19), with the consultation of the Vice President and, as appropriate, others involved.”

The document also contains “classified Continuity Annexes.”



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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... 09-12.html[/b]


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A presidential directive isn't a bill--it's not legislation and can be overturned by Congress.


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my wish when it comes to politics is to bring people together, so the following comment goes against that, but its just ckd forum so whatever (omg im sorry yarr i love your forum):

i feel that the biggest root cause of the political rift in america is the republican inclination to band together under the infallible word of a leader toward some ideal that they haven't really thought through, and usually that ideal is some form of elitism.

^that is not something i'd say to an audience i am trying to bring together.

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So just finished watching the AFL CIO presdidential forum (( democrat ))

very interesting, I've always been for clinton and obama, but obama has sort of drifted in my opinion, the more debates I watch, the less I like him. I do not like john edwards at all. . .

ANyways clinton did amazing as always in the debate, shes currently (( as she has been for awhile )) dominating the polls, and is expected to rise even further, butttt You know the more I watch the debates, the more I love kussinich. . .He did amazing in this debate as well (( plus I like his views on gay marriage :p lol )) I hope kussunich gets more support

so who do you guys support? even if your republican (( :p lol ))

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kucinich. he's vegan.


is that shallow? lol
i trust his judgment and like his values.

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oh heres the site I keep up to date with polls if anyone is interested in keeping up with them

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my god spell his name right

edit: and biden here


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lol when i was browsing google it spelled it kussinich, who cares you know who im talking about lol.

Biden got boooooooooooeeeeed in the debate tongiht :( lol I like him though, he definitly has experience. But hes not doing so well, I am not sure why. I don't know how edwards is doing as well as he is

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Judging candidates by debates is like...hmm well there's got to be a good analogy out there but anyways it's stupid. Judge them by their positions (positions exemplified by their records. One of the great things about a field full of members of congress)


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Judging candidates by debates is like...hmm well there's got to be a good analogy out there but anyways it's stupid. Judge them by their positions (positions exemplified by their records. One of the great things about a field full of members of congress)


Maybe its just me but I thought debates were held so you can see the candidates state their positions on important issues in the country, and argue thier reasonings to having these positions. #-o

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No they aren't. Debates are oration competitions where campaigns just hope their candidate doesn't fuck up. Everyone knows all of the candidates positions well before. Do you also think that Conventions don't actually have a nomination in mind before they occur like they used to? lol


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Whatever you say ponuh lol, not everyone knows everythign about candidates before they appear in debates on tv, I find them very informative and enjoyable, I'm sorry that you don't lol

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I just remember the catastrophe when the old guy (think he was a general or something) who was the VP choice of Ross Perot was at the VP debate. That was horrible, completely screwed any small chance Perot had.

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i dont think the world is ready for a woman president. a lot of middle eastern countries still think lowly of women, and to think one of the strongest countries is lead by a woman?? Id vote for obama over clinton any day.

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i dont think the world is ready for a woman president. a lot of middle eastern countries still think lowly of women, and to think one of the strongest countries is lead by a woman?? Id vote for obama over clinton any day.


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i dont think the world is ready for a woman president. a lot of middle eastern countries still think lowly of women, and to think one of the strongest countries is lead by a woman?? Id vote for obama over clinton any day.



Actually hillary already adressed this issue in the CNN debate. She basically says it won't be a problem. And India just elected its first female president. . . India. . .I Don't understand how anyone can think we are not ready for a woman president. The issue of sex in general when concidering a candidate for presidency is just lame, look at who the person is, what they stand for, what they are going to do for the country, their record, ect ect, who the hell cares if they are a man or woman? lol

Anyways I will let hillary answer your question :p

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ya, im texan. i also believe that women should stay in the kitchen, clean my house, and do my laundry. same sex marriage is wrong, affirmative action is dumb, pro life, and anything else conservative.

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My choice would be to throw fecal matter at all the people running for office. Why should I trust any of these insider fucks? I will vote Libertarian probably and I don't care if that is thought to be "throwing my vote away".

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texan found. god I hate texas so fucking much
ya, im texan. i also believe that women should stay in the kitchen, clean my house, and do my laundry. same sex marriage is wrong, affirmative action is dumb, pro life, and anything else conservative.


theterk sounds like one of those skin head people I saw on the tyra show, who told tyra that her people need to go back to africa or be killed lol.

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My choice would be to throw fecal matter at all the people running for office. Why should I trust any of these insider fucks? I will vote Libertarian probably and I don't care if that is thought to be "throwing my vote away".



It's not a matter of trust. You vote for the person who best represents the constituency you belong to and that shares common political ideals. Voting or not voting for someone because you trust or don't trust them makes absolutely no fucking sense.

edit: it's almost as bad as voting for someone based on their appearance or gender


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I can't trust them to do what they say they will do. They say they represent the constituents with their mouths, but their actions show otherwise. I don't believe politicians really have our best interests at heart in the least. They represent whatever lobbyist or special interest group lines their pockets with money.

They can tell me what they stand for all they want, I don't believe anyone who has been in politics for an extended period of time. If I can't trust someone to really do what they say they will do, then I can't vote for them. Hell I can't trust that they really have those same ideals, they are just running a party platform until they get into office. Bunch of whores to money and power, with ideals and morals that shift with whatever they think will get them elected.

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i'd vote for someone i mostly disagree with if i thought they'd be an intelligent and strong leader. and i wouldn't vote for someone who i mostly agree with if i thought they'd be childish and divisive. /cough

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