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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:12 am 
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Alright, so a friend of mine told me to check out some p2p thing called Bearshare. I've been downloading some of their stuff, but some of it is protected wma files.

Just curious to know if there's a way to convert them and put them on iTunes. I can't burn and rerip like you can on itunes files.

Ideas, suggestions? I really don't feel like re-downloading if I don't have to, lol.


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nope and dont wanna break the law. btw HI shadow longtime no see.

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i'm with ya pantherxx. if you're caught with a large library you can be fined like $500,000. not worth it.

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Whisp wrote:
if you're caught with a large library you can be fined like $500,000. not worth it.


This apply to Canada too?

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Canada has similar laws. Supposedly Canada shut down Demonoid.


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Does 40 GB count as a large library? haha

I used to use Bearshare, but I don't anymore.. its just another Gnutella based p2p client. Nowadays I torrent everything, entire discographies lol. Got some good shit recently. Cynic and Necrophagist were the highlights and I copied the new Ihsahn CD my friend bought.

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many of the stories i've heard or read involve downloading music through a school or other public network. they seem to catch those downloaders a lot, so don't download anything from a public computer. and it seems like the fines usually range from $1,000 - $10,000 for an album of illegally downloaded music. chances of getting caught are very low, but like i said it's not something i feel like risking.

the first thing they told us at emory university, for instance, is that several students were arrested for illegal downloads, and the school is forced to pay $400k or something around there.

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You just have to not be retarded about it, if you choose to do it. Really, music companies have been ripping artists and consumers off for years, they've had it coming.


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Downloading doesn't get you in any trouble, seeding/uploading does. Be smart and dont upload in public networks. My account in 2 private networks has over 1Tb of uploaded data (around 2.8Tb total) and i haven't heard jack-shit from anyone. Call me smart or pathetic but downloading is far better in my opinion, if i like something and i think it's worth my money i'll buy it.

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That's not true Kioto. There are many many people who have gotten sued for downloading. Especially if you do it on a college campus.


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If so i haven't heard/read about it.

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I might go through more measures to hide my IP (use TOR or something similar for anonymity), but I never download at the college or work. Its always at home or at one of my friend's houses. I am behind NAT on my router, but that isn't enough probably. Could use a proxy and fool people into thinking I have a Chinese IP address or something.

I own 100+ CDs and I do buy shit I really like, the sound is also better than what you can get from even the highest bitrate MP3s (well I can tell on harmonics and basslines). FLAC and other lossless formats do sound better but they do not work on most MP3 players. More importantly is that I actually go to live shows, which is where musicians make the bulk of their money anyways (fuck record companies).

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Associated Press wrote:
Record companies win music sharing trial

By JOSHUA FREED, Associated Press Writer
Fri Oct 5, 6:15 AM ET

DULUTH, Minn. - The recording industry hopes $222,000 will be enough to dissuade music lovers from downloading songs from the Internet without paying for them. That's the amount a federal jury ordered a Minnesota woman to pay for sharing copyrighted music online.

"This does send a message, I hope, that downloading and distributing our recordings is not OK," Richard Gabriel, the lead attorney for the music companies that sued the woman, said Thursday after the three-day civil trial in this city on the shore of Lake Superior.

In closing arguments he had told the jury, "I only ask that you consider that the need for deterrence here is great."
Jammie Thomas, 30, a single mother from Brainerd, was ordered to pay the six record companies that sued her $9,250 for each of 24 songs they focused on in the case. They had alleged she shared 1,702 songs in all.

It was the first time one of the industry's lawsuits against individual downloaders had gone to trial. Many other defendants have settled by paying the companies a few thousand dollars, but Thomas decided she would take them on and maintained she had done nothing wrong.

"She was in tears. She's devastated," Thomas' attorney, Brian Toder, told The Associated Press. "This is a girl that lives from paycheck to paycheck, and now all of a sudden she could get a quarter of her paycheck garnished for the rest of her life."

Toder said the plaintiff's attorney fees are automatically awarded in such judgments under copyright law, meaning Thomas could actually owe as much as a half-million dollars. However, he said he suspects the record companies "will probably be people we can deal with."

Gabriel said no decision had yet been made about what the record companies would do, if anything, to pursue collecting the money from Thomas.

The record companies accused Thomas of downloading the songs without permission and offering them online through a Kazaa file-sharing account. Thomas denied wrongdoing and testified that she didn't have a Kazaa account.

Since 2003, record companies have filed some 26,000 lawsuits over file-sharing, which has hurt sales because it allows people to get music for free instead of paying for recordings in stores.

During the trial, the record companies presented evidence they said showed the copyrighted songs were offered by a Kazaa user under the name "tereastarr." Their witnesses, including officials from an Internet provider and a security firm, testified that the Internet address used by "tereastarr" belonged to Thomas.

Toder said in his closing argument that the companies never proved "Jammie Thomas, a human being, got on her keyboard and sent out these things."

"We don't know what happened," Toder told jurors. "All we know is that Jammie Thomas didn't do this."

Copyright law sets a damage range of $750 to $30,000 per infringement, or up to $150,000 if the violation was "willful." Jurors ruled that Thomas' infringement was willful but awarded damages in a middle range; Gabriel said they did not explain the amount to attorneys afterward. Jurors left the courthouse without commenting.

Before the verdict, an official with an industry trade group said he was surprised it had taken so long for one of the industry's lawsuits against individual downloaders to come to trial.

Illegal downloads have "become business as usual. Nobody really thinks about it," said Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America, which coordinates the lawsuits. "This case has put it back in the news. Win or lose, people will understand that we are out there trying to protect our rights."

Thomas' testimony was complicated by the fact that she had replaced her computer's hard drive after the sharing was alleged to have taken place — and later than she said in a deposition before trial.

The hard drive in question was not presented at trial by either party.

The record companies said Thomas was sent an instant message in February 2005 warning her that she was violating copyright law. Her hard drive was replaced the following month, not in 2004 as she said in the deposition.

"I don't think the jury believed my client regarding the events concerning the replacement of the hard drive," Toder said.

The record companies involved in the lawsuit are Sony BMG, Arista Records LLC, Interscope Records, UMG Recordings Inc., Capitol Records Inc. and Warner Bros. Records Inc.


From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_ ... ding_music

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:50 pm 
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hmmm, pay $9,000 per song

or.....

$200-$500 to a lawyer for a quick appeal which will put a freeze to any attempt to collect.

or...

hide assets and file bankruptcy.

decisions, decisions.


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I still think downloading won't get anyone in trouble, sharing is the problem from what I’ve seen. I have a friend that got caught seeding a game I think I posted here about it, he continues to download off that torrent tracker, he just doesn’t seed 100% of it and hasn't heard anything again. Many instances in forums I’ve read people getting caught for uploading, not downloading.

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haha kazaa is known to have spyware too.

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Ulgokiem wrote:
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Brainerd woman got pwnd!


From: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071005/ap_ ... ding_music


lol I was gonna post this but ulgo beat me. Looks like it made international news not just local MN news!

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You wont get sued right away. Generally you only get sued if you've been warned and you continue to not only download but upload music too.

Friend of mine (Canadian) downloaded a bunch of Arrested Development episodes and she got an email from the show's lawyers telling her to stop. So she did. She never heard anything else from them.
On the other hand I downloaded all of season one and two and no one sent me an email, but then again I ended up buying all three seaons on DVD anyway.

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Yarr wrote:
You wont get sued right away. Generally you only get sued if you've been warned and you continue to not only download but upload music too.

Friend of mine (Canadian) downloaded a bunch of Arrested Development episodes and she got an email from the show's lawyers telling her to stop. So she did. She never heard anything else from them.
On the other hand I downloaded all of season one and two and no one sent me an email, but then again I ended up buying all three seaons on DVD anyway.


Canada was recently rated as one of the worst western countries when it comes to piracy control though


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I don't see any mentions of the RIAA warning Jammie Thomas to stop sharing music on Kazaa. Guess the lawyers for Arrested Development are nicer than the RIAA lawyers. Or I guess they figured since they could scare your friend into not downloading anymore with an email, an costly lawsuit wouldnt be neccesary. A reasonably simple and affordable approach to fighting piracy! I mean a email costs how much? A lawsuit costs a lot more!

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Canada was recently rated as one of the worst western countries when it comes to piracy control though


They started to change that. I went to go see the new Resident Evil movie last week and I couldn't walk 10 feet without seeing posters and signs saying you're not allowed to film movies, under penalty of arrest, jailtime and or fines.

However, whether or not the people working at the theaters will enforce that is a different story. It's all teenagers working for minimum wage, haha.

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Canada was recently rated as one of the worst western countries when it comes to piracy control though


They started to change that. I went to go see the new Resident Evil movie last week and I couldn't walk 10 feet without seeing posters and signs saying you're not allowed to film movies, under penalty of arrest, jailtime and or fines.

However, whether or not the people working at the theaters will enforce that is a different story. It's all teenagers working for minimum wage, haha.


If you weren't aware, the Canadian government doesn't own that movie theater. It's considered one of the worst because it doesn't cooperate with law enforcement and the entertainment industry in finding those who are pirate


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Of course I'm aware, it still falls down to the theater employees to report said crime to law enforcement, search bags brought in (they have the right to do that now) etc etc lol.

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