I imagine the sheer velocity of Heinz's foot entering her mouth will probably prove fatal, saving her from the stones.

Teresa Heinz's reputation is "she's a woman who will speak her mind." That sounds good in writing, but I'm not so sure her thoughts have been worth hearing up to this point. She makes mistakes in speaking just like you or me, or Bush, but from what I've heard so far, she seems at best to be someone not meant to be in politics or in front of a microphone at all. At worst she sounds like an old airhead.

President Bush's policies definitely didn't cause the 2001 recession. According to "The 2001 Recession: How Was It Different and What Developments May Have Caused It?" by Kevin L. Kliesen, a financial analyst for the Federal Reserve Bank of Saint Louis, Missouri:

Around 90% of forecasters didn't even think we were in a recession until after 9/11. It turns out they were wrong. By 9/11 the recession was almost over. The Bureau of Economic Analysis actually had to rewrite economic history to accomodate for the mild recession which was not previously included. One of the major factors was "the unexpected decline in housing investment." I remember this personally, as my parents required 2.5 years to sell their house in Georgetown, Texas, which coincided with the national decline in real estate sales (1999-2002). "Another factor that may have helped push the economy into a recession was an unexpected decline in real net exports. ...The largest percentage-point decline in U.S. real exports were generally for those destined for Asia: South Korea (-58%), Taiwan (-37%), Japan (-37%)."

Source: http://www.research.stlouisfed.org/publ ... liesen.pdf
I didn't see mention of Clinton or Gore but may have overlooked it. I wonder what Clinton and Gore could have possibly done to cause decline in foreign trade, real estate sales, .com failures, etc. As I said before I'm no economist. But I am tired of people like Hannity trying to reduce face for Clinton and increase face for Bush because of some mild recession. The economy does what it does. It's like the weather. It needs forecasters. They aren't always right. But it would be pretty damn hard for one person to be so fully responsible for a recession that you could name it after him. That over there is the Bob Dole tornado. Yes he caused it to happen and Kansas inherited it. And that over there is the Bill Clinton recession...The only president that comes to mind that really made a personal impression on the economy is FDR.

As for me showing up on the Sean Hannity show... No thanks. He would find some way to eat me alive and spit out the bones.

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You might want to relook again at FDR's era. FDR never really recovered the United States from the depression. In fact he spent 8 years trying, and most of his policies including the New Deal were dismal failures. It wasn't until WW2 that the United States came out of the depression because the war caused millions of jobs to appear overnight as soldiers went off to war and there was nobody to fill those positions, in addition to the positions created by the war. Of course it also caused our national debt to reach it's peak ever, accounting for over 120%+ of our GDP (Today it's around 36%). But hey, you can't make an omelet without cracking a few eggs.

I would agree with you though that the economy tends to do it's own thing and that's more the fault of the American and World populace than any President. It's just a cyclical thing, sometimes it has ups, sometimes down, sometimes big ups and downs.

Not sure if "most" were failures, but most of the programs listed in history books were successes. His programs alone created about 15 million jobs, targeting the unemployed for work on building roads, damns, power plants & systems, rebuilding public facilities like schools, bus stations, etc. My father worked for the FDIC for 11 years, which is one of FDR's best successes (it insures a portion of your bank money in the event that your bank collapses). He set a minimum wage. He made the economy ready for when soldiers returned from war... something we failed to do after Vietnam. As for his failures...Social Security was part success/part failure. In any event, you are prob right that WW2 was the largest factor for ending the Great Depression, but that still doesn't negate the fact that FDR made a huge personal impression on the US economy.

EDIT: Yes I typed "damns." Should be dams lol

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FDR HELPED the Economy, but he never fully recovered it. And actually, it was falling back into another recession of his plans right before WW2. WW2 completely pulled us out though.

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http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/fuzzymath.php haha

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http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/voter.php

omg.. based on who i shot and who i let live, it said this of me:

"You are a left wing communist. You have little love for god or country. You list Michael Moore as an intellectual and often threaten to move to Canada. You may want to vote for Nader, but your socialist friends tell you to vote for John Kerry. Thank you for playing."

Thats actually not far off the mark

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I'm a typical Republican.


But it's wrong, some of my best friends are black, and I lived in a black neighborhood....

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I love how Whisp does it too, I do it as well, and you attempt it and fail miserably.


No one bitches about it because EVERYONE in a debate does it. You don't attack the strong argument, you attack the weak one. When you make a "full refution" post, attacking every argument, you've normally won. Then the person you are debating with will try to attack your weakest point again.

Then again, that never really happens. Everyone slides in a non-debatable fact that keeps their post from ever being completely wrong. "Saddam was an evil dictator." "We found no WMDs." You can never *completely* refute a point if someone states a non-debatable fact.



Non-debatable fact.



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Non-debatable fact.

Now, Whisp made a mistake in one post.



Nothing there is provable, and most of it is improbable.

1. Actually we're probably killing them at a much faster rate than they are forming. Dead Terrorists don't spawn more terrorists. Terrorists nations are giving up their weapons. Terrorists from other countries are going to Iraq to fight against US soldiers...and dying. The chance of any war after Iraq being anywhere near as bad is incredibly slim. These are like the first week of a new workout routeen. It hurts and pisses you off for a while, but eventually you become stronger and feel better while doing the same thing.

2. And then we'll get attacked? It's not a secret that one person with smallpox at Mardi Gras, the Superbowl, etc could fuck up over half the nation. No amount of defence you can get will stop a sick person from coughing in a crowd. Killing him before he gets the chance will.

3. But the UN won't work with him. The UN is currupt, and many UN main countries had oil deals with Iraq that made them and Saddam incredibly wealthy. It was currupt, and that is not debatable. France, Germany, and Russia made billions on Iraqui oil.

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rather than referring to my theories as a "mistake," you shouldve followed suit of your own post and described them as "debatable."

i have always held the opinion that these terrorist nations would not be terrorists to us if we weren't terrorists to them. ever since i learned about what we did to the Palestinians in my 10th grade history class, i have correctly viewed the situation in the middle east as..."we started it." (non-debatable fact). granted, two wrongs don't make a right. the attack on 9/11 is the wrong way to go about protesting for peace, but thats what 9/11 was in my opinion: a retarded protest for peace. those fools feel like no matter what they do they simply cannot get the attention of the american people to make us realize our own government is terrorizing the middle east.

and now that the latest osama tape has been aired, it confirms my theories, to me.

so, when asked who, in my opinion, would keep america safer, i answered who, in my opinion, would keep america safer. john kerry. but john kerry still doesn't get it. he just gets it a lot better than bush. here is some more of my opinion. a concept that kerry, bush, and dinav don't seem to agree with, but something i agree with, is there would be less threat of i.e. smallpox released at a large event if we would learn to respect the middle easterners' right to peace. osama himself said it, that we could secure our own safety if we would stop backing israel & get our military out of saudi arabia. u know why i believe him? because i've been saying that exact thing for 10 years. it's not unamerican to have this opinion! i think it is 100% in our best interest of survival to be f'ing nice to those gd murderers! there is no better way to ensure they won't slip through our defenses and terrorize us yet again. kill them all? ALL? as in all middle easterners? because if you only kill a few, then the rest will become pissed. if you exterminate every last middle easterner then you have some serious morality issues to deal with.

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Actually England started it, but I digress...

Osama actually said he would back off if we became an Islam country. You know, wrap our women up so we can't see them, etc. Afghanistan didn't attack us because of Palistine....they attacked us because they hate us.

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i'm not talking about England. i'm talking about USA vs. Middle East. if you want to talk about England, we can go all the way back to when England "owned" Middle Eastern countries (Iraq for example). as for our involvement in the Middle East, it was the formation of Israel.

You can read the full transcript of the video here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm BBC of course. It's funny you would think Osama & the Middle East crew want to make us become like them, wrap our heads up, become muslims etc. Why is that funny? Cuz it's actually the opposite. As we speak there are people over there and over here trying to convert muslims nations into a democracy...trying to convert them into christianity. Yet they aren't doing that to us.

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"Has bin Laden called for a U.S. withdrawal from Saudi Arabia?
Yes, repeatedly. In his writings and speeches, bin Laden has hotly argued that since at least 1991—the year of the Persian Gulf War, which was waged by a U.S.-led coalition with bases in Saudi Arabia—the United States has been "occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of its territories, Arabia, plundering its riches, overwhelming its rulers, humiliating its people, threatening its neighbors, and using its bases in the [Arabian] peninsula as a spearhead to fight against the neighboring Islamic peoples."

"When did significant numbers of U.S. troops arrive in Saudi Arabia?
The Saudis invited in the U.S. military shortly after Saddam Hussein invaded Iraq's oil-rich neighbor Kuwait, on August 2, 1990. To help protect the kingdom and prepare to expel Iraq from Kuwait, the United States sent about 500,000 troops to Saudi Arabia; the U.S. secretary of defense at the time, Richard Cheney (now vice president), promised Saudi King Fahd that the troops would be removed after the war."

http://www.terrorismanswers.org/causes/saudiarabia.html

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"'Our terrorism against the United States is worthy of praise to deter the oppressor so that America stop its support for Israel, which is killing our children,' the bearded, Saudi-born fugitive said."

http://www.rense.com/general18/sps.htm

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4 words : Food For Oil Scandal.

/em agrees with Dinav here.

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as if Bush isn't interested in oil

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Indeed he is, I was merely supporting the fact that the UN wouldn't support us against Iraq in any such case.

We just need to get to drilling the hell outta Alaska and get less dependant on foreign oil sources.

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I don't remember the last time I beat a woman to death with a fucking rock, if that's what you mean?

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Of course oil was a purpose, but it was one of many, not a singular.

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a clinton joke song http://www.thebots.net/RockTheHouse.mp3

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i think i hold the title for the creator of the "largest thread on ckd forums"



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