Personally I dont really care haha.

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I think TTK members responsible for decision making should each have a turn sticking "the boots" up eachothers ass... I myself would not accept a "offering" after the deed was done. Thankfully that isn't up to me, and trust Vaelen's decision making on whatever transpires regarding 'that'.

To those "ex" TTK members that decided to break away from the pack and stand up for what is honorable... Everybody sees the righteousness in each of your convictions to 'take a stand' and not partake in TTK's blatent disrespect and lack of morals as a whole, shows you hold the higher ground.

As long as there's the 'biggest NA asshole ever' running TTK their days are numbered... the respectful majority will make sure this will not be tolerated in any way, shape, or form.

Invision TTK to be a MPK LS next?


Inaddition - flipside:
I, like Centhea, was happy that a 'fellow' NA LS got KB and I did see the congradulations flood the LS chat to those from CKD.

I didnt mean to be offensive with my comment Supa, was just stating an example. I'm not really worried about someone cheering on a mob, just makes me happier when i win. =p

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Certain LS seem to have respect for each other while others don't seem to care.

While we were in sky we fully wiped to Despot because of pulling before we should have. FS was up there collecting God pop items and could have easily took it and killed it. What did they do? They came over to our dead bodies, and raised us.

Another example. We were camping Fafnir yesterday and KFC got the claim, but by some glitch after about a min the claim changed to us. Instead of stealing the mob and killing it for ourselves... we zoned and let them have the claim back. We showed we were bigger than petty loot. We did what was right.

Yeah that bug was odd and my logs said that Fattino got first voke but what ever haha. Grats to KFC for killing Fafnir for the 1231231231231st time.

Basically the bug works like this

1 Person vokes, 1 person does dia (or some other spell) at the same time, with a little lag the server thinks both people tag the NM and its all the sudden open to both parties.

They started fighting it and it went red to me for no reason as if out alliance had it. Then out of no where they start accusing us of stealing it. They start telling us to get lost and to teleport out. What a bunch of assclowns. I should have uploaded the screen shots.

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Only went unclaimed for a split second when i switched to fight the clipper and aspir/drain.
Syron had to be spamming claim the whole entire fight . .. .
I told Grim and others not to fight and just disengage and let Syron fight it alone but they still fought after that , kept claim , i had hate and got the shit beat out of me from Simurgh. Just saying they had the choice not to fight it and they still did. . . . .

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First of all, everyone who wasn't there should stop barking, because you don't know what happened and everything you're regurgitating on here is heresay and speculation.

Next, There have been long term rivalrys between FS and TTk for a bunch of different reasons but mostly involving personal gripes between certain people, I don't think what happened the other day was in any way maliciously intended however. Just stating a fact that there are fueds and there have been a lot of immature things happening lately that I could see blowing up into a big giant mess like this.

Next, from what i understand, it was TTk's timer, I don't know how or why it was leaked, but someone in a previous post claimed that TTk stole the NM when it was FSs timer, and that's wrong, it's the other way around. Likewise I'd like to make that point to all the people saying, "you should RETURN the boots" umm FS never had the boots, it's not like TTk asked one of FS to try the boots on and walked away with it... TTk got lucky but you can't say the boots would've dropped for FS had they taken it down.

We also have to take into consideration now, that the only ppl FS had there were a pld, a rdm, a taru drk, and 2 whms. In my opinion they had no business trying to claim it in the first place with such a small group that was most likely going to wipe.

Lastly if you want to blame anyone blame Syron but don't smear the name of the whole LS, there were so many people who were not there from TTk that now have to either quit or bear this burden of being 'a linkshell full of thieves' The majority of TTk members said when they saw it go red they were just shocked and syron claimed to have been spamming provoke and they some how got it, I don't know if TTk is naive and wasn't aware of stealing, or if they were just acting on instict, or out of malice, regardless.. I think this silly little drama should get ended right away.. jesus christ the internet reminds me of 7th grade.. grow up people it's a game.

That's why you should never claim a HNM in play like that unless the people who do have claim are all dead, their built up hate remains regardless of who has claim, and can lead to getting them MPK'd.

I've seen this sorta thing happen in the past and the NM would occassoinally run and take a swing at some of the other group even though they'd no longer had claim for like 5-10 minutes. It's kinda funny if its one of the NM/HNM that can run like twice as fast as players.

Regardless of how many people they had, if they win claim they win claim. There is no such thing as "TTK's timer, FS timer", because if things were like that then nobody else would be allowed to camp and id like to see you tell that to a JP ls that finds out the timer. If you guys got boots as a drop off an HNM you stole from them, the boots would technically be theirs seeing as it was their HNM and not yours, so technically those boots are stolen. Congrats on your dirty loot.

Oh, and with the people their, they could probably hold and/or kill Simurgh pretty easily, considering that he isnt even on the same level as any other HNM in this game, hes so weak.

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the two bird NMs are a joke. Id hardly even call them HNMs aside from the fact that they give you a title.

CKD has had its share of this kinda problem.

Its best really just to try and work it out. Most of this stuff is done "in the heat of the moment" type thing. Even up at the big boys three kings camp crap like this goes on.

We watched IcarusWings steal a normal Behemoth from KFC and then call for help and laugh.

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Sucks to hear about this as I know both Grimblade and Syron and am surprised they did this really. /slap Syron

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lol if FS only had like a PT or two that's still overkill for those NMs. It doesn't matter how many people were there or about the timer.

Judging by the pic you posted Vaelen, this incident occurred because one of your ls members mocked them as they wiped. Sure, you can argue that it is kinda a petty reason to steal a HNM. However, the HNM claim/unclaim rule is a rule of courtesy. What did you guys expect?

Personally it looks like this is going to be a TTK vs. FS feud and not a TTK vs. all HNMLS. :| I really don't see any reason why non members of these two LS should get all worked up. This is a fight between them and it looks like the gloves are off. :|

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Ilma lets go Duo simurgh tommrow ok? haha OVERKILL!

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FS has been camping simurgh for quite some time, it was Wednesday that we had everyone up and sky but we had someone stay behind to get the time... we've kept tabs on many HNMs with just one person watching spawns, so the info was never leaked to begin with, nor is it anyone's timer. And yes Runefury it was couresty.. like i said, I respected Grimblade a lot before this and never knew of any known issues between the 2 linkshells (other than 2-3 former TTK members are in FS now), but I didn't think Grimblade hated our linkshell so much because of that.

We don't want the boots, nor did I ever ask for them (thought perhaps the people that went and camped it did). Like I said, I'm not trying to bash the LS - but people need to see what type of leadership it's under.

Another thing to courtesty (and to respect as well) - FS has never done anything rotten to TTK in the past, so I don't see where this tension has come from. What we expected Rune was a would've been a "{Congratulations!}," not a "{Thank you.} I'll take this mob from you even though you got first claim." - and we've done Simurgh with 4 people before , so the party they had was quite sufficient for it.

And as to people not being there should be keeping out of it, I wasn't there, but I feel as the leader of my linkshell I take such matters into my hands.

Vaelen

A word of advice.

Everyone hates everyone. haha

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Who is Clovenhoof?

LMAO thats true

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Too bad clove doesn't know u can kill Roc and Simpurph with 2 people.. pld 3 people even.

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Hey, I would like to clarify some stuff, even though its not all that important.

First off about the timer and all that drama.

On the day that TTK first killed Simurgh (WED), someone claimed that FS had been camping it all week and left someone behind to get the timer. That wasn't how it happened at all. That wed I was in windy doing some cooking, and chatting with my friend who happened to be leveling in rolanberry around the Simurgh spawn point. He then says he its that Simurgh HNM, and its been unclaimed for like two minutes now. I ask him, no one has claimed it? and he says, nope not only that but there is not one person around. I am fairly low level noob at the moment, but I knew that an unclaimed wondering HNM sounded like a rare occurrence, so I switched to the only HNM LS I have, TTK, and tell them that Simurgh is up and completely alone. Eventually 12 TTK people ran out from jeuno; it took at least 15 minutes overall from when I first told the LS that Simurgh was up to when someone could finally run through CN and claim it.

During that time Grim also did a check to see where everyone else was, and noted that only 2 people were also in Sky at the moment, FS members, and that now might have been a good time to camp there also.

Now as Simurgh got down to around 75% life I remember looking around and seeing other players from other LSs show up, including FS members, as well as members of my Main LS that the person who spotted Simurgh in the first place is from. Also, I split the profits from the first Simurgh drop with the friend who first spotted Simurgh, since it was really his sighting and his timer >.>


I guess the point on this long and pointless ramble is to show that no one was camping Simurgh in the first place, it was chilling all on its own on Wednesday, and not one LS had any type of previous claim or timer to it. I would assume if there was someone else there besides my friend they would have rallied their troops faster to take it down or actually claimed it in the first place. Instead TTK got out there with moderate haste and claimed it, with no one else present at the time other than my friend watching. When the boots didn’t drop TTK decided that it would go out the next day, but knew they would have some camping company. ><

Now, as of what happened the next day I can't really comment cause I wasn’t there I was xping in the tree, and had a diff LS equipped so I didn’t hear about all the drama till hours after it happened. I don't really know or care what should be done about the boots, maybe the money can be split between the campers to make everyone at least sorta happy? I really cannot imagine any solution that would not anger or alienate one side. I think both parties should talk it out and agree on a solution, even though I know that is impossible...

I wish I hadn’t told TTK about Simurgh in the first place now that I know about all the drama it caused. Extra gill is nice to have, but it’s not worth losing friends over. But I don't think many people are stepping back from the situation and thinking about what should be done before they open their mouths and start flaming others.... It makes me sad that certain people left different LSs over such petty things. But I can respect their decision to leave I guess, even though they did leave before either party had made a “Formal statement.” Geese, this is all getting blown way out of proportion. I know I am just a Noob, but I wish everyone could just get along

Doesn't matter.... I Dont' have to be in that area to get time for HNM, especially with known hnm members camping them..

excuses excuses.

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Heh. You aren't kidding. You basically know what HNM is popping when by doing a /sea "so and so" or /sea area... If you know who camps them it's so simple lol.

People also act like timers are exclusive, since when if you kill it on wednesday does that mean its your timer from then on? Haha such petty fights over these stupid birds.

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well there are right ways and wrong ways to do these things. Now I joined a LS that did things the right way, even though we wiped, everything was done right. As to what happened when and where, my lips will remain closed <secret>. ^^
Would of never went if I didn't honestly think we could make the kill though, seems a lot of members forgot to bring along some items which woulda proved helpful. >.< Maybe next time

capricious cassie! yay I win!

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