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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:41 pm 
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I saw this on KI...

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=33325

And check out this screenie...

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Last I heard doing this was not considered an offense at all. Anyone know anything about this?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:45 pm 
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Nope, the rule has been around a long time.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:50 pm 
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hhehe

Even if NAs do this to hold nm on Ifrit, theres no point because there is a certain jp ls that will be up around the clock 24/7 anyways.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:15 pm 
Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
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um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago about the gil sellers holding stroper chymes for about 2 hours. they were provoking it and enguaged with hand 2 hand so they did like 0 dmg. the GM said "if you have the means to hold a monster indefinately then there is nothing to stop you from doing it" just goes to show, GM = JP only

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:48 pm 
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um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago
Nah thats BS =p, the GM was full of shit then haha. Also stuff like casting cure or poisona on someone is against ToS if you are doing it to piss the person off (grief tactics).


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Lol, that's nuts... I had a friend who held a Stroper Chyme for hours with Sleep, and the gil sellers would train on him in attempts to MPK, forcing him to kill the monsters with Blaze Spikes... wonder how a GM would handle that situation since both were engaging in "grief tactics"

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Well, maybe SE is taking a stand on this holding tactic due to the numberous complaints NA's filed against Gilfarmers holding nms (Morion Worm, Stroper Chyme, and etc.) for hours on end. If you pray for rain, then don't cry when the thunder strikes.

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Ilm wrote:
Xiona wrote:
um actually holding a NM or HNM is perfectly fine according to a GM that i talked to a long time ago
Nah thats BS =p, the GM was full of shit then haha. Also stuff like casting cure or poisona on someone is against ToS if you are doing it to piss the person off (grief tactics).


heh, I really wish I had fraps... I got jailed just before I deleted hit cause we fucked with mamii and ponsp and them... I would cast poisona on mamii as soon as she used her poison pots and then Cassie would sweet breath... that sleep lasts a while if you aren't poisoned and they almost died... Binding the utukku and having it Aeroga II them didn't help that much either...

When in jail the GM told me that you can't cast poisona on someone if it changes their gameplay. I Also asked about the rule of holding a mob and he said it wasn't allowed but people shouldn't take matters into their own hands they should just call a GM

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I have a screen shot of a GM telling us theres no rule saying someone cant hold an HNM for days on end.

Ill look it up when I get home.

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Terms Of Service
[Chapter III, Section XII]
8. It is forbidden for a North American to purposely keep a notorious monster alive, thereby depriving a Japanese player the opportunity to battle.

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i think whisp got it ~

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:19 pm 
Youre a Crappy HNM like Roc or something
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yea i wish i had the screen shot of them telling me that gil sellers can hold a mob indefinately if they choose. just seems SE needs to make their rules more clear to their employees. i still think they should remove normal NMs from the game and have their items be a really rare drop rate off a mob type in any zone. like Ochudo's kote should drop off MNK yagudo mobs anywhere in the game. give it drop rate like snipers rings. then HNM should be like a 4-6 hour pop. the more times it pops the more chance ppl get to fight, lowering chance that it will get monopolized. just seems like a more fair system taking focus off camping something for hours and hours and redirecting it to playing the game for fun.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:27 pm 
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I can see where fighting one hell of a lop sided battle with SE.

There where happy with JP members and then we came and made there job harder and i think all of them have hate for us.

Nothing much we can do about it is just torment the holy hell out of them for the littlest reason just for the fun of it.

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i wonder if theres a website or place where you can see the terms and agreements of this game..I'm in school now so most of the websites are blocked.

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Whisp wrote:
Terms Of Service
[Chapter III, Section XII]
8. It is forbidden for a North American to purposely keep a notorious monster alive, thereby depriving a Japanese player the opportunity to battle.


I cant stop laughing :lol:

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Xiona wrote:
then HNM should be like a 4-6 hour pop. the more times it pops the more chance ppl get to fight, lowering chance that it will get monopolized. just seems like a more fair system taking focus off camping something for hours and hours and redirecting it to playing the game for fun.


nah, this would only mean that KFC will fight the kings 4 to 6 times a day. THey will probably set up like a job schedule and have 4 teams of 18 ppl working 6 hour shifts each... They probably have a time card and get written up for being late >.> no sick days or vacations allowed!

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i wonder if theres a website or place where you can see the terms and agreements of this game..I'm in school now so most of the websites are blocked.

https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/index03.html

Article 1: Application of this Agreement
The Agreement shall apply at all times to your use of the Game, including your use of PlayOnline to access or play the Game, or to access or participate in any related activities, materials or features. In the event of any conflict between this Agreement and the Member Agreement, this Agreement shall take precedence; provided, however, that for all matters that are not covered in this Agreement, the terms of the License Agreement and the Member Agreement (as applicable) shall continue to apply.

Article 2: Data Collection and Privacy
In the course of your playing the Game and using the PlayOnline Service, you may accumulate certain usage statistics, score information, character traits, performance records and other Game-related data that are stored for you in the Game and on PlayOnline servers (collectively, your “Player Data”). SEI makes no assurances, representations or warranties whatsoever about the accuracy, currency or continuing availability of this Player Data at any time and reserves its right, at any time and from time to time, without notice to you, to delete all or any part of your Player Data. SEI shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any such deletion, and further shall not be held responsible for any complete or partial deletion done or caused by you, any third party, or other act or occurrence beyond SEI’s reasonable control, such as a fire, power outage, natural disaster, terrorist act, equipment failure or any other such act or occurrence, whether or not similar to the foregoing. In addition, your Player Data and other information about you are subject to our PlayOnline Service Privacy Policy, which you should review in its entirety and may be accessed under the “Rules & Policies” section of the PlayOnline Viewer and Website. You agree that you will not store or attempt to store any personal information or player data about other PlayOnline users, except to the extent that such storage is an integral part of the Game and necessary in order for you to play the Game.

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