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Valisk
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Cant pull him past the Large Stone Door, most effective strategy is to pull him to that door, and have a bunch of PLD/NIN to tank him right there (yes pld/nin , not pld or nin ) while the smn go to work on him. If done right, shouldnt aggro inside that room, just the outside.


I saw a PLD/NIN tank Sirmugh or howver u spell that NM that drops Strider Boots. Definately need THFs for SAnTA if you go with PLD/NIN. I can go as PLD/NIN :) But i need one more level on PLD for Uts: Ni :(

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yeah how would a pld/nin hold hate with Vrtra unless you have a lot of thfs. or you do very little dmg and fight him for like a moon cycle^^

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Oh shit I just thought about something. Do all wyrm HNMs have Spike Flail? If Vrtra has Spike Flail then there is no way a PLD/NIN can hold hate.

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you have 4-6 PLD/NIN, and your only DD are SMN so lev with spinning dive, nobody to get hate. PLD's heal each other/their self, and generally only live 1-2 minute each. So you wont have anyone getting hate, the PLD is just there to hold it while pets arent tanking. And yes all wyrm have spike flail, and vrtra seemed to spike flail regardless of anyone on tail. (Same with jorm, but much more rare it seemed)

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But does Vrtra have Spike Flail? I guess a PLD/NIN, PLD/NIN, PLD/NIN, PLD/NIN, WHM/SMN, BRD/WHM does sound like a kick ass tank PT.
So Vrtra alliance would have to be something like?:

PT1, Alliance 1

PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
PLD/NIN
WHM/SMN
BRD/WHM

PT2, Alliance 1

SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
BRD/WHM

PT3, Alliance 1

SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
SMN/WHM
BRD/WHM

I am really putting too much thought into this. I am so unrealistic. A man can dream cant he?

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I just think its kinda cheap for these things to only be killed by smn's and bst and then a handful of tanks. SE either screwed up major or there is something people dont know about to kill these things.

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you dont need just SMN DD. Check on the BG videos, they do it with subbing sams and drks in for SC on the front of the monster.

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You don't just need smn DD only, thats just the easiest way to go. And its not cheap that summoners finally have something good going for them, everyone knows smn is a gimped whitemage lvl 1-69.

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Why is it cheap to use BST + SMNs... would u rather them use the expense RNG + BLM. ^^;

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Would need a Thief in pt#1 with the paladins/ninjas. I woud also get like 6 outside WHMs not in pts and an extra party to wait on some of Vrtra's minion pops in case so uhh we need like 100 people to be safe ><

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Yea lets get a THF for SATA so we wipe to Spike Flail, ingenious idea.

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you need a drg/thf to SATA so when it tries to spike flail it gets intimidated, obviously.

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Yea lets get a THF for SATA so we wipe to Spike Flail, ingenious idea.



I sense no sarcasm in this at all :roll:

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Volrath wrote:
Yea lets get a THF for SATA so we wipe to Spike Flail, ingenious idea.


ROFL, <3 Vol

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I guess I'd rather see a bunch of people get together and kill something head on instead of throwing countless summons/jug pets at it.

Am I dissing SMN or BST? No. I'd just rather see a variety of jobs, (yes this includes smn and bst,) kill one of these. Seems more exciting.
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A full alliance of bst would be a challenge. A full alliance of smn would be boring.

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bah i soro all wyrms all teh time heres a screenshot of my drops..

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Lazyazn readies Dancing Edge.
Vtra takes 23 damage
Lazyazn hits Vtra for 0damage.
Lazyazn hits Vrtra for 0damage.
<Lazyazn> Vol Vol
Vtra hits Lazyazn for 455 damage.
<Volrath> yea?
<Lazyazn> I'm about to kirr Vtra
Lazyazn scores a critical hit!
Vtra takes 1damage.
Lazyazn defeats Vrtra.
Vrtra drops Cyber Tool.
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HiddenPower... a NA ls on remora has killed vrtra a few times... i'll try and find the SS and most them


this is random SS i found lolol

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Volrath The thief is for hate purpose only he not going to go behind Vrtra just trick attack on the paladin/ninja so it sticks to him

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thief doesnt have much use against those dragons, but drk sam maybe even drg can TA SC onto whatever tank is currently alive for damage.

Of course SMN pt is best but, come on ; ;

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Holyknightomega wrote:
Volrath The thief is for hate purpose only he not going to go behind Vrtra just trick attack on the paladin/ninja so it sticks to him


That's teh whole point volrath was getting at, you "can't" TA on them. That would mean you are behind the mob, thus causing it to Spike Flail. Instand Wipe. not good. :roll:

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Correct if i'm wrong, but the Assassin trait thf has now, allows them to TA onto the tank with the monster facing the tank, and only thf gets it.
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Yes TA only requires that someone be between the THF and the mob. You can TA from any angle as long as someone is between the THF and the mob.

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TY Valisk! That's what i was trying to say.

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Trick Attack has always worked like that. Assasin trait just makes it more worthwhile...

Before that trait I could use Trick attack only and hit for about 80-100 but not critical.
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