Well, when you think about it, DRG 2-hr is very similar to DRK (in certain cases) or WAR's 2hr... except its always on. Eg. DRK does blood-weapon and deals more dmg at the expense of health.. when fighting any mobs with AoE, it feels kinda liek thats what i am doing (Spirit Link every 3 mins). And its like war in that my DMG + Wyvern is almost like a critical sometimes. What we need is WSs that dont suck. 200-400 WS at 75 is pretty bad. You can sub THF, but i think your dmg goes down greatly just to pop a big number on the WS (losing double atk is no small thing).

There are alot of smart and dedicated RNGs around tho, just give it time, they'll figure out how to play it even better. It will be tricky in some cases tho.. ever get a pop of an agro mob near others of teh same type and have to fight it? Before a RNG could join the small space withing melee range and fight it, now they will have to move out (perhaps within agro range of others mobs) to be effective.

DRK 2hr is like En-drain. What you're thinking of is soul eater.

Then ifrit must have some shitty rangers if they dont have decent gear. i know i spent over 2 mill on gear (with NO e bow) so would of been around 5-7 mill with e bow, let alone a good 20k worth of arrows/bullets every EXP session. He'll if i didnt have 3 peices of AF2 my gear price could of been alot more. And also you got to remeber when u buy gear for a melee job you can sell it back eventually. When u use Arrows/bullets its lost money FOR GOOD. Then stack Shehi and food onto that i was pumpimng out about 30k gill per EXp party. So dont say rangers are equal to other jobs when it comes to spending money.

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My bad. Thats what I had in mind. Oh so DRK 2-hr is like the oposite of its Souleater i guess. Interesting.

Fabian, hauberk alone is two million now. And Murph, you're right about RNG still paying for arrows after 75, but if a melee has never upgraded his/her equipment at 75, I'd wonder. Haha.

Welcome to my world. 800k for Sleepga 2... use scroll. Poof... Erase for my whm sub... 500k.. poof. AM spells, 100-300k.. poof. Water 4, 400k.. poof. Resell? I tinks not. I cry a little everytime I use a scroll or think about the gil dumped into my spells. Given, I now have that spell for good... but I cant liquify that and regain the gil to say buy gear for another job when I want. Welcome to RDM/BLM/WHM. SMNs and BRDs dont have it to too bad tho.

I'm 75 blm and 75 nin and been lvling rng ro 48

I dont' think mage spells is is anywhere close to as bad as stuff like shihei or arrows. spells you use it once and learn it, not many of them are expensive anyways. Please, list me a spell thats a lot, and I can tell you how many exp pt it takes a rng or ninja to buy that scroll with their shihei/arrow money. On top of that they have to worry about equipments

SleepgaII? Quest Scroll in Tree (Buy first sell urs later)
Water IV? Drop item in Davoi
Ancient Spells? Mostly can be dropped.

Arrows and shihei over time jsut cost way more than spells.

No need to give yourself so much credit. Melee job costs a lot more than mage jobs, especially when it comes to equipments. On top of that, ninja and ranger gets it even worse.

put my mnk for example, way more than > my blm, even though BLM is still considered my main job

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damn
talking bout cheap rng gear, why is mine expensive?

Credit for what? Anyhow, I wasnt desputing the fact that RNG etc wasnt expensive (which is why i didnt quote the entire post).. just pointing out that RNG isnt the only one that expends large amounts of gil that cannot be recovered. And however expensive melee gear is, it can be resold/recovered when upgrading or switching to another job. None of the gil i dumped into BLM spells for Eg. I could get back when lvln DRG.. which is kinda why I cant even afford a Scorp. Harness for my DRG If you go from WAR75 main, to DRG75 main, you can at least resell gear and buy new stuff for new job. Melee equip is like an investment.

any mage job is way cheaper than a melee job heh

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man..

No need to give yourself so much credit thinking mages cost is a lot because they aren't really. If you tried jobs like nin mnk or rng you would know.

I'm sorry I had to explain to you again.

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But yes if you buy a spell you HAVE it for good, if you buy 10 stacks of arrows, those are gone in an HOUR. not to mention like demon arrows and GOOD bulelts. Which can be 10k a stack (prices based on when I PLAYED). So yea if i wanted to be the BEST DD i could of at the ime i could of boguht all bullets. That would of equaled over 100k PER EXP party. That means to get from lvl 70-75 using JUST bullets would be well over 3 mill.

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Wow... some people seriously put effort into starting a flame war. What piece of gear for MNK you couldnt resell, regardless of what it costs? 10+Mil for HQ staffs alone isnt alot rite? I think you're assuming i said BLM costs more than RNG, or more than MNK... I said you cant recover the gil for spells. But you seemingly are ignoring that for seemingly no purpose than to flame about something.

I'm trying to be nice... sigh

I know you implied mages cost less.

My point is, you still think mage cost a lot, but they don't compare to melee.

Flame where?

Stop being angry and get a life (This is where the flame comes in)

People like you can't takea little bit of criticism and take it as flame.

Also stop bring up the can't resell spell, but you can with equipment stuff.. Because frankly, you can't resell shihei or arrows thats already either used to cast shadow or throw at a mob. And those alone cost way more than mage spells overtime. Sure lets not even talk about the equipments. lol

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This distracts from the point of item cost. Its basically the same as farming. Eg. If i was a MNK.. i could do the sleepga 2 quest and sell it for 800k. Using that 800k to fund my melee equip. And I could do the same with Water 4. I could camp NMs to get drop a 2Mil drop and sell for gil to afford my MNK gear, etc... or if the drop was an item I needed for MNK, would you call it "free" since i didnt pay for it, or 3Mil because thats what its worth? The quest for the item, isnt tied directly to being a BLM or mage.

Umm.. I believe thats what i originally quoted and responded to. Giving the comparison of consumable tools to consumable spells.

Shura Togi 5 mil +
Shura Haidate 3 mil
Shura Kabuto 3 mil

peacock charm probably covers almost the same price as every single item a blm owns haha

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I'm still confused on where anyone (even me) said BLM costs more than xyz job. My point is along the line of: Lets say I lvl BLM to 75, then resell ALL my gear and Switch to WAR. I level RNG to 75, then sell ALL my gear ansd switch to war. All that was consumed (a spell is consumable), which job will have taken more out of what is now my WAR fund? aka. After which will i have less gil. Does RNG over a period of 1-75, have spent 3+Mil in ammo? Honest question... I'm not making any suggestions.

You can't really farm arrows/bolts. You can lvl woodworking/alchemy and make them, but that is just more money.

Please, do list any part in my thread where I said you said you think blm cost more. I said its not anywhere even close to it.

Seeing that you don't even understand simple difference between drk 2 hr and job ability, nor have you played nin, rng jobs, I am just gonan stop with this.

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They are only both "consumable" in that you can't sell them back. The difference with tools is that they are an ongoing cost unlike blm (or whm, or rdm) spells. Once you hit 75 you can cast all those expensive spells as much as you want and don't have to pay more, unlike Utsusemi + all other ninjustsu. Not to mention you have to buy the ninjutsu scrolls as well which range from 200k-800k now. ;p



Exactly, heh. Also if RNG/NIN/whatever melee is your main job, you aren't going to be selling your gear back anyway, unless it's to upgrade to something even more costly, so that argument is kind of moot. You still have to get the millions to buy that stuff in the first place. I have yet to see a blm spell tht costs several mil. ;p

And to Lazy, don't quit rng ;p;p

From my observation, and most RNGs I have come across, use arrows, and only use bullets when trying to keep Marksmanship skill current which is only a small amount of the each. If i wanted to be the best BLM i could be, I could spend crazy gil on juice and hi-ethers. Like i said, honest question.. not "assuming" if you wanted to be the best RNG u could be. But you're quote didnt adress that.

Wow.. yea. As If you've never gotten one thing mixed up with another. Too bad you need to use such an example to claim "I dont understand the simple difference between..", yea my brain must be too weak.

most GOOD ranger, will use acid bolt from ???-75 to kill mob defense, it also works as dispel to things like crawler cancoon, + another type of bolt for normal dmg (Since acid bolt is lower dmg at higher lvl), AND arrows.

Meaning most rng carries bows and crossbow

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=(

I dont' think I said that.... but.. boo hoo cry some more cus you are wrong

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