I don't have the patients for this.

In my opinion if you are selfish enough to kill yourself then your life was a complete waste. You deserve no respect and you are a piece of shit. Your comfort meant more than the feelings of your closest of close people. If Mil, my best friend, decided to take her own life I would be so overflowed with anger that I would more than likely just shutdown...

However, if you want to argue a situation of terminal illness and, for lack of a better term, being a vegetable then things change. I would gladly give a close family member a chance to end their life with dignity and respect by pulling the plug or whatever. But if you think that losing a girlfriend or something so petty is a reason to end your life then see my previous paragraph.

Matti, I side very close with you on this, even with my own suicidal tendencies I think it's the most selfish and cowardly act someone can commit (unless as you said, it's in the case of some terminal illness where you'll just be deteriorating in a vegetative bed-ridden state), and a big reason why I've never tried because I feel there are too many people surrounding me that would have to deal with the consequences of my action.

However, I've never had to deal with someone extremely close to me killing themselves, my cousin did, but I wasn't very close to him. I'm not really sure how I would react especially if it was out of the blue and something I never expected or was prepared for. I would probably run thorugh the full gambit of emotions.. denial, anger, shock, sadness, apathy, trying to understand why.

I don't even know why I got involved in this thread since it's really just a matter of opinion and I find there to be truth in what everyone who has posted so far has to say, basically just explaining why i asked matti that.

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EDIT: lol I found this after I made this post:

The term for someone pulling the plug is Euthenaisia (spelling?), but doctor assisted suicide if it is actually the doctor applying meds to end someone's life who has a terminal illness. Of course you get pissed when someone you know trys to or successfully kills themselves. You can also mourn a bit depending on how it happened or who the person was. If my father for example killed himself I would be mad, but I would also mourn because I would remember the good times before he got to that point.

Some people close to me I wouldn't mourn the deaths of at all. Like my cousin Shawn has attempted suicide twice and failed both times... I hope the third time is a charm for him but that is another thing entirely. The world would be a better place if he was gone, but that is not the case with my father. I do not get along with my father really (I used to wish death upon him when I was younger lol), but he contributes to society in a more positive way than most people. Just depends on the person for me. If I don't know them then I don't give a fuck either way really.

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I think if someone actually kills themselves they have mental problems. Think about it could you just kill yourself? I doubt it.

5 billion plus people on the planet, overall quality of life (not just ours, but nature as well) suffers from our exponential growth.

death is a good, if not often necessary thing.

suicide, if successful, is only mourned by the people that know of the person that committed the act.

millions of people have no clue who this myspace kid really is, they too busy with their own life.

I like to think when people die, they go to better (or worse) places depending on their overall merit as a person.

I understand parts of Feep's emotional logic however more of me sides with Xiona. We live in a world where people, in their own personal vanity or albeit "trying to be important way", do negative things in society which garners the attention "of the masses." "The masses" now see certain things in a light where they are starting to think certain behavior is not only ok, but acceptable and tolerated in society since it gives a person notoriety. Instead of shunning and not covering these negative acts, the news covers it daily (runaway brides with book deals, sleeping with schoolkids stories, screwing over the average worker, etc.). This kid, through his negative act (whether or not it was a cry for help), got notoriety. What message does this convey to a generation that does not fully understand the repercussions of this guy? Are we going to see more of these types of suicides? He got what he wanted in the end, his death and his own goal of posting it on myspace, and for that I have the same attitude of Xiona in this case. His behavior should not be tolerated nor condoned. I always told myself if I was gonna commit suicide I'd do it in a more constructive way anyway (robbing a bank or something) so if I was successful at it, I'd probably be less inclined to follow through. That last sentence was a joke. However, I'm for making the world a better place and doing something with my own life to do so. Making the world better would be to forget about this guy's death, and moreover remember the good, productive, positive work he did with his life (should you choose to be involved enough to want to know him). His myspace suicide thing was in no way a good nor positive thing, however, perhaps some good and positive things such as this discussion can come from it.

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Actually, I think we're over 6 billion people now. We should invite everyone to giant party! On the moon!

Though I might reiterate that I believe suicide (and this one in particular) is pathetic, and while it's fine to mourn for him, or perhaps even to not to care in the slightest, celebrating it is wrong. There should be respect for all life. Miyagi-sensei ftw.

Well people, regardless of how you all feel on this subject, at least we can all hope that he went out like a gentleman.

Suicide, in my opinion, isn't a good move. I love life, though I am not in a good spot in my life, [just as a side note: dont have a fling with a lesbian who is still attached to her ex.], I know things will get better.

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Good form!

Can someone give me a run down on what happened? All i see is his blog with comments from people he knew. What else occured that was on the ytmnd(that is now down)?

Oi, not the only one then, am I?

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I researched out of boredom and after reading threw everything i agree 100% with Xiona. There are mixed reports on whether or not he hung himself or shot himself in the head but that in itself is an incredibly selfish thing to do to your family in regards to the actual trauma of doing it inside the house where you family lives let alone the act itself. Apparently the main factor in the suicide was being dumped by a girl he was dating. It is kind of shocking when you realize what he did but after that fades away it is just disgust that someone could put their family members threw something like that.

http://msts.ytmnd.com/

http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_a ... b9682dcb19

this is what happend, i guess

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Thanks for the link. . . :\ that kid should've been taken to see some mental health people or something. . . @@;; Given that he'd already failed to commit suicide once, that should've given people around him some indication that there's something wrong. Though I guess that all relies on how much the people around him paid attention.

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I'm pretty sure on the original myspace before someone went threw and edited out all the negative comments a girl in one of his classes had something to say about a large portion of his friends that knew well before what he was going to do and did little to tell anyone. I don't think we can try and make judgement on what they did(or failed to do) without knowing exactly how he was in real life.

When I die, somebody better make a MySpace thing for me or I'll haunt everyone when I get a chance.